Talk:Big Betrayal

Meaning of the Japanese name
The name has some puns (like some other Deep Cut songs) that probably requires explanation. What we figured out so far: ぴしゃげる (pishageru) is "slap" in Hiroshima dialect. ド (do) sounds close to ぞ (zo) which is a particle added after a verb to emphasize intention. ぴしゃ (pisha) is an onomatopoeia for slap/splash.

The above info is provided by Hinemi Himeida on Discord, they also suggested a candidate translation: "Firm-slap castigation". Perhaps other editors with better Japanese knowledge can make use of this information. Harimaron (talk) 18:59, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * It's a dialectical form of ひしゃげる hishageru which is "to be crushed/squashed" – this is what L1 Japanese friends suggested when I asked them about it, and I'm guessing it's more meant to get at this meaning rather than the 'slap' one. 鉄槌 tettsui has a literal meaning of "iron hammer" but can be used to mean to "crack down" harshly (e.g. on crime) or a "crushing below" delivered in battle. So, both words are embodying this same sort of feeling. I personally don't like 'castigation' in a potential TL here but that's just personal preference. I've hopefully added enough contest and now someone else can arbitrarily come up with a localization. Or we can just add this info (in a more succinct manner, please) directly to the meaning page – I'd argue it's not really our job to localize or come up with fan titles, except where strictly needed (i.e. not semi-obscure BGM tracks that already have official localizations). –Eli (talk) 12:45, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The song seems to have a reference to Calamari Inkantation. Should this be added?
Big Betrayal seems to reference a part of Calamari Inkantation after Frye is done talking. It seems to reference the part that plays immediately after the intro ends in the original Calamari Inkantation (and all versions after). Is this noteworthy enough to be added? Can anyone notice if it references it later in the song? Carro179 (talk) 20:57, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I've added it, nice catch! Yoshifan52 (talk) 03:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)