Talk:Marina

Hair color
There are too many unproductive edits on this page about colors. Please just discuss it here before editing. The original "Black/Teal" should be used in the event that no agreement is reached. Heddy (talk) 02:01, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

I suggested Plum Brown as her hair color because it is a dark purplish brown that is close to what she has. In the Splatfest art, she is shown with a deep, dark purple in her Pop art. As for Ketchup, she was shown with dark brown hair. Since she is represented with dark purplish brown in-game, Plum Brown would fit as the mix of the two,instead of having to put Purple-Brown or Purplish brown.--InuSaki (talk) 02:23, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

No opposition to Plum Brown, so that's what we should go with. Any edit that changes it from Plum Brown to another color (without discussing here first) is at risk of being considered vandalism. Heddy (talk) 04:16, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

I COMPLETELY disagree! It's supposed to be Black! I don't know about you, but it's Black to me!Destinithompson
 * I think it's Plum Brown anyway, besides, what it's supposed to be is irrelevant without a source. -- R alts eye prata med mej 11:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Keytar
I was going to mention Marina's keytar (w/Squid Sisters decal on the neck) in the trivia section *heh*  Apparently I have to wait for this color matter to die down. *lol* -DJParticle (talk) 10:40, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that, DJ. It'll be editable again later of this week or tomorrow. I'm not really sure lol. --InuSaki (talk) 16:50, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Breaking the 4th Wall
I was going to edit Marina's page with her "breaking the 4th wall" trend. I saw three instances for this: The Blackbelly Skatepark stage where she corrects Pearl about it being a stage and not a map, trying to prevent them from getting fired; a certain stage (I forgot which one was it) where Pearl ran out of free space from her text box, with Marina pointing that out; now the Chicken vs. Egg Splatfest where Marina points out they're living in a simulation and free will is a lie. Is three times enough to not be a trivia thing? Fairy27 (talk) 08:25 4 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I just created a wiki account because I was going to add exactly that (before noticing that the pages are locked for editing). Aside from the examples you mentioned, there's also the: "Does art imitates life? Or does life imitates art? Am I even real?!"; that, given the trend of her other comments, also seem to indicate a break in the 4th wall. It's pretty clear to me that there's a trend here, and should be noted on her page; it's one of the most interesting things about her. Ellye (talk) 20:28, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Just a heads up that the page is locked until 6 march 2018 kl. 03.01, (UTC +1) due to an on-going discussion/edit war of the color of Marina's hair. -- R alts eye prata med mej 21:58, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

It is editable now. You can add the trivia you wish to add. --InuSaki (talk) 05:07, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't find it, but there is an article where producer Hisashi Nogami stated in an interview that the characters of Splatoon may be aware that their world is in fact just a video game and that they're just characters in the game. Perhaps it has already been referenced in another relevant section of the inkipedia, but it might be relevant to add here as well if someone has a link. Octo-maker71 (talk) 00:59, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Tupac reference
Just added a bit of clarification in the Trivia section. While it was kind of a meme that Pearl & Marina's outfits in Octo Expansion resembled in some respects the late rappers Biggie Smalls and Tupac Shakur, I couldn't really find any confirmation that the developers were intentionally trying to reference or pay homage the two deceased recording artists when initially designing their outfits (unless I've missed something). Keep in mind that crowns, big chains and reverse tied bandanas have been a part of Hip Hop and urban fashion for a very long time. I feel like it'd be like saying such-and-such rapper invented wearing the Do-Rag. So, I chose to add that this similarity was mostly something noticed by fans prior to the Expansion's official release. Octo-maker71 (talk) 00:36, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Individual quote
So, since we’ve decided to do individual quotes for Off the Hook (and I guess the Squid Sisters) instead of just their band catchphrases, here’s some I found for Rina! What do y’all think?
 * “Don't tell her I said this, but Pearl is srsly the coolest.” From her chat room
 * “Once our souls have been freed, there's no way we can continue to live under the oppression of Octarian society.” My personal fave, also from her chat room
 * “I know we talk a lot of smack on the show and all, but I just wanted to say thanks. For everything.” Oof these are all from her chat room xD
 * My favourite is the first one, as that sums her up well, but I'm not sure what others would think about the text speak element of it. May need another opinion on that. GloverMist (talk) 11:39, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I like the third, myself, since I feel the first is a bit too focused on Pearl and the second is more fitting for the Inkantation itself, though I'd be fine with any of these. ShinyCelesteela (talk) 11:44, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Mkay, just for consistency with Pearl's article, I'll add the third one for now, but I'm totally open to changing it if anyone has any other suggestions ^^ 02:50, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I just saw “Off the Hook means everything to me! It’s all I have in this world...” from the Chaos vs. Order announcement, and that seems to fit Marina very well too! Just a thought, ya know. GloverMist (talk) 20:33, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the second quote better suits Marina than the first and third quotes. User:Pikachucet (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Marina's quote
I think the quote on Marina's page should either be changed, or just removed. It's too Pearl centric, especially considering that Pearl doesn't have a similar quote on her page. That's also the problem with the Octo Expansion-It's too focused on Pearl when it should really be focused on the Octolings like Agent 8 and Marina. And since there ISN'T a similar quote on Pearl's page about her feelings towards Marina, It just shows that Pearl might not like Marina at all (which is possible, Pearl is motivated by money but I won't bring that up).

Pearl is not the main part of OE, and shouldn't get so much attention.
 * Firstly, please do not duplicate talk page comments or place them at the top of the page - if this was an accident, I understand. Secondly, I believe that Marina's page quote isn't attempting to make some kind of comment about characters' relevance or focus, just a short quote that summarises her personality. You can view our previous discussion on this matter above.
 * If you have another idea for a quote that may fit Marina, please let us know, it would be great to hear alternate suggestions! Otherwise, please don't revert the current one, as it's reached a community consensus already. Thanks! GloverMist (talk) 15:36, 30 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I know this is a little off-topic, but considering Pearl literally drops an "I love you" in the Chaos vs. Order results dialogue, it's pretty clear that their appreciation for each other is mutual. ShinyCelesteela (talk) 16:39, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Since Pearl and Marina put on their teasing on the news though, can we really believe everything Pearl says? (OK let's not go there actually let's only stick to what we know) User:Pikachucet (talk) 9:03 30 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Probably! Between Pearl saying being able to meet Marina is the greatest gift she's ever received in the Octotune chat log, Pearl threatening to "cut a fish" if Cap'n Cuttlefish does anything to Marina in the chat log, and in the same session saying Marina is "the best person she knows" even after learning about her past as an Octarian soldier, I'd say that even off the news she holds that appreciation for Marina. ShinyCelesteela (talk) 18:11, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Here's the thing though. We're only going off of the English localisation, which isn't a faithful translation of the Japanese version. Pearl isn't as nice in Japan, and is more neutral or sometimes mean. If we just assume the English version is 100% accurate, we could also call the Dutch version canon, but like English it isn't. User:Pikachucet (talk) 22:34 30 July 2019 (UTC)


 * First of all, one of those sources I listed is Japanese-exclusive, so your point is more or less immediately invalid. But since you keep on whining about it, let me explain why I think the quote we currently have for Marina is the best one.
 * "I know we talk a lot of smack on the show and all, but I just wanted to say thanks. For everything."
 * While this quote is technically about Pearl, I feel it is a good summation of Marina's personality. She definitely teases others from time to time, but overall is grateful for the life she currently lives. Heck, her relationship with Pearl is in fact an important part of her character, since she's pretty much the one who introduced her to Inkling society after she defected from the Octarian army.
 * "Once our souls have been freed, there's no way we can continue to live under the oppression of Octarian society."
 * I feel this quote doesn't really feel Marina-specific. Sure, it's true that she was freed by the Inkantation, but so was Agent 8 and likely numerous other Octarians. It reveals a bit of Marina's backstory, but not much about her character, and since this is true for multiple characters within the series itself, I have trouble seeing how this is any sort of improvement. If the quote that currently is on the page links her character too much to Pearl, then I'd argue that quote links her too much to the Squid Sisters or Calamari Inkantation, which are arguably much less important when discussing her personality. You keep bringing up how biased we are, but between constantly trying to get Marina's quote changed and flat-out removing Pearl's quote from her page (For reference, that one was chosen because it's an iconic and memorable scene in Octo Expansion) I feel the only one with a bias here is yourself. ShinyCelesteela (talk) 15:14, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I disagree. You do seem pretty determined to make sure Pearl gets attention. That's actually one of OE's flaws-it tries to focus on Pearl numerous times despite her being an Inkling. The Agent 8 text quote is not Marina specific either, but it makes more sense than putting a Pearl centric quote in there, especially since Pearl's quote could apply to LITERALLY ANY INKLING OR OCTOLING WHO CAN ALSO SAY BOOYAH! Maybe there shouldn't be a quote there. You two won't stop fighting otherwise. User:Muc-Mhara64 (talk) 19:06, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * ...Yeah I am 97% convinced you are a sockpuppet of Pikachucet. Exact same syntax, exact same arguments, c'mon now. Try at least a little harder. ShinyCelesteela (talk) 18:34, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You're both unreasonable I see. I thought it was just Pikachucet. We all have similar syntax mate. Wha'dya expect? Me to write lik im a loony tic? I'm trying to stop you two from fighting here! User:Muc-Mhara64 (talk) 19:52 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * In order for a change to be made, a consensus must be reached, and in order for a consensus to be reached, a respectful discussion must occur. This is not currently happening. While I'm here I will say that I prefer the current quote because it focuses on her current self as a whole while the proposed one focuses more on Octarians and not her. Inkling luke.png Inkling talk.png 19:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Alright. I apologize for letting things get so out of hand. While I usually try to handle things in the best manner that I can, I will admit that I am also quick to lose my patience in times of heated debate, and that is something I should consider working on. I apologize for any mistakes I may have made over the past few days. ShinyCelesteela (talk) 19:51, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

I have to apologise too. I admit that I have a hatred for Pearl, and I don't like that she's everywhere, but that's no excuse for my immaturity. I also sometimes lose my patience and sometimes don't like being told I'm wrong if I really care about something. I take full responsibility, because this wouldn't have happened if I didn't overreact. User:Pikachucet (talk) 21:00 31 July 2019 (UTC)