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Problem with notifications
Hi, I joined the wiki 6 months ago, but no matter what I do, the "Welcome to Inkipedia, ‪Untitled-1‬! We're glad you're here." notification won't go away! What do I do? --Untitled-1 (talk) 20:09, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Try clicking the blue dot on the top right corner of the notification. Inkling luke.png Inkling talk.png 21:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I had this problem and this worked for me, thanks Inkling luke.png !　 Marinasairpods (talk) 08:26, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I tried it, and it still won't go away. --Untitled-1 (talk) 02:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC) How do I get rid of the Hi welcome to Inkipedia we're glad you're here notification? I tried clicking the blue dot but it didn't work. DrewDaSplatMan
 * Same for me!!! Winter (talk) 03:44, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I had the same problem, but after a few more days of waiting, it | should go away. 03:59, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, Thanks! Winter (talk) 02:49, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

News
I found some News that could go on the news feed here. Should we put it on? Splatana  talk   contribs   07:20, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Uh, when I tried to click on the link, it just said "error: page not found." Although that could just be my internet (i'm currently out of town and the internet is always crashing left and right and not loading things properly) S u n d a e Squid S Weapon Main Octobrush.png Talk  07:31, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Pretty sure its your internet, as it works fine for me. Splatana  talk   contribs   08:24, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, that's what I thought xD S u n d a e Squid S Weapon Main Octobrush.png Talk  08:40, 30 June 2019 (UTC)


 * It says error for me...Winter (talk) 21:28, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Here are some of my ideas why the link doesn't work:

No mather what's the reason here is a link to the main news page Fun P L #0529 (talk) 05:52, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) News article is hidden for some people
 * 2) News article got deleted

The Problem With Signatures
Why do the signatures always have to be either a link to your user page, or a clever nickname for your username? Can't you use your username in actual Splatoon or whatever? S q u i d d y Girl Talk  21:32, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The purpose of writing a message on the wiki is to improve the wiki, not to play the game. Heddy (talk) 22:00, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

oooooohhhh right S q u i d d y Girl Talk  15:13, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Mass upload of Maps in Splatoon 2 from Zorg's Mega folder
Zorg has taken captures of maps with the help of some friends and they are stored inside a Mega zip folder. Now inorder for it to be seen by the public, they need to be uploaded to the wiki. They are all same size, standard HD, 1920x1080, and uniform since that's how splatoon's own spectator camera works. My main concern is the sides of the images that are just taking space in the image. You can see an example of it in Arowana Mall where I put the old and the new images side by side. Should we keep the old ones or upload the new ones who have unnecessary sides? I want to hear your opinions about it. =D 15:08, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm of course a bit biased, but my own reasoning for my opinion to keeping them as they are is, as Shahar said above, consistency; that being how the in-game spectator camera gives the view, and that all images would be the same dimensions. (And no, resizing the cropped versions back to HD size would mean the quality of it would be worse.) The only discrepancy i can see is that the scale of separate stages aren't uniform. Alternatively, i could argue usage of these as a standard image-set for those who'd want to utilize these for their own, like pro teams for overlaying callout data or strategies for example... even if that would imply they'd know about the existence of these in the first place. --Zorg (talk) 15:33, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Minor edit: I'm mostly talking about the top-down images, not the "minimap" ones. Also, i guess people could still access the original unedited ones even if the wiki would only have cropped ones. --Zorg (talk) 15:36, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I prefer the cropped versions a little more, only because they make the actual "map" a little easier to see on the page itself. With the widescreen versions, a large portion of the map is occupied by empty space, making the actual map a good bit harder to see in the thumbnail! We could increase the thumbnail size, though I think the ones we have already might be a little better. That being said, I'm fine with the full view for the top-down photos. ShinyCelesteela (talk) 18:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Cropped may be best for the wiki. On each file's page, the mega.nz link should be included for those needing the originals. Heddy (talk) 20:12, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Fan-Made Articles And Fanon Users
At the time of writing this, a few pages have been created on the wiki for fan-fiction such as this one. I've also seen several users that only edits have been to Fanon pages. Should we put a disclaimer on the user page or something that explains that this is NOT a Fanon wiki. There are other wikis for that. -- Splatana   talk   contribs   10:46, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah, probably. I've been seeing that a lot, too. I think we should leave msgs on the users' talk pages explaining that this isn't a fanon wiki~ S u n d a e Squid S Weapon Main Octobrush.png Talk  14:09, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't need to go this far, but maybe it could be a thing for the wiki policy, just so there can be something to quickly refer them to? It should be obvious that this is for canon info only, but still. Could be something. GloverMist (talk) 18:25, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The policy page can be found at INK:UNOFFICIAL. Heddy (talk) 20:15, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Aha! Thought there must have been something in there, clearly I missed it! Thanks for reminding me. GloverMist (talk) 20:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

So like... is there no plan to translate the Splatocalypse dialogue from Japanese?
I write about Splatoon theory content for YouTube and run a fandom blog, I found a translation of the announce dialogue but I've been hoping for a while now that you'd translate the post-Fest dialogue and it still hasn't happened.

Help? Mathface (talk) 04:41, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? The dialogue for the Final Fest announcement and the results are both on the Chaos vs. Order page in English, Japanese, Dutch, French, etc. or are you talking about something different? Sorry if I misunderstood~ S u n d a e Squid S Weapon Main Octobrush.png Talk  06:01, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * First of all, not everyone on Inkipedia can speak Japanese. Secondly, it’ll just be translated when someone who can finds the time to it :)
 * I mean the original Japanese translated into English. The NoA 'translation' isn't the same dialogue as the original Japanese. It never has been for Splatfests. Mathface (talk) 06:59, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. Got it. -- S u n d a e Squid S Weapon Main Octobrush.png Talk  01:06, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi! I've been doing these translations for most of the Japanese Splatfests so far. I've been busy with some non-squid stuff, but I should be able to get to it in the next few days. Sorry for the delay! - 10:07, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * And... DONE! Enjoy!! - 13:00, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Japanese Splatfest Names
Alright, so with Version 5.0.0 now out, I figured I'd check the ink color names for all the Splatfests, and I noticed that some of them have had their names changed. Save for Hello Kitty vs. Cinnamoroll and My Melody vs. Pompompurin, all the sponsored Splatfests have more generic names. However, aside from those, a handful of Japanese Splatfests have different translated names:
 * Agility vs. Endurance is now Dexterity vs. Endurance
 * With Lemon vs. Without Lemon is now Lemon vs. No Lemon
 * Warm Inner Wear vs. Warm Outer Wear is now Inner Wear vs. Outer Wear
 * Flower vs. Dumpling is now Hana vs. Dango
 * Latest Model vs. Popular Model is now Newest vs. Most Popular
 * Unknown Creature vs. Advanced Technology is now New Lifeform vs. Future Tech
 * and Without Pineapple vs. With Pineapple is now Pineapple vs. No Pineapple (the teams are backwards!)

My question is: do we rename the pages on these Splatfests to match what are likely their official dub names? Or do we keep them as-is? Especially the pineapple one, do we do "No Pineapple vs. Pineapple"? Just want to ask in advance! ShinyCelesteela (talk) 08:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I feel like Splatfests whose names didn't have to be changed to write around trademarks should be moved, but I'd say wait to get more opinions. Hadamsj (talk) 08:59, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree with this assessment. -DJParticle (talk) 09:04, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I also agree with changing the non-sponsored ones. They must be official for a reason! GloverMist (talk) 09:12, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree too c: S u n d a e Squid S Weapon Main Octobrush.png Talk  09:19, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Alright, so this seems to be pretty universally agreed on! Nice! Obviously I was gonna skip the sponsored ones, since they affect the English Splatfests as well (see Ninja Red vs. Ninja Blue) but one more question before we implement this! Do we rename Without Pineapple vs. With Pineapple to "No Pineapple vs. Pineapple" instead of the other way around, since those are the official team names even if they are given in the wrong order? ShinyCelesteela (talk) 09:22, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Curious...the Meiji Splatfest...what do they call that one? If they call it "Chocorooms vs. Chococones", that would be the official English-market Meiji names for those products. -DJParticle (talk) 09:01, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That Splatfest is called something like "Joyous Green vs. Festive Yellow" in English. However, the Pocky Splatfest was not changed to be generic in Spanish ("Pocky vs. Pocky GOKUBOSO"). Hadamsj (talk) 09:12, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * How do they handle the two color sets that were used for two Splatfests? (Cake/Ice Cream & Rock/Pop... and Fam/Friend and Chaos/Order, I assume)  There were 53 Splatfests, but only 51 color duos.  -DJParticle (talk) 09:22, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Raph vs. Donnie and Hello Kitty vs. My Melody are not in the mix. ShinyCelesteela (talk) 09:24, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, there goes my ink pick for my upcoming Frosty vs. Rudolph Minifest. :(  Looks like I'll have to re-use the Pocky colors.  Seriously, that's kinda dumb of them.  -DJParticle (talk) 09:29, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi! Since I've been the one doing most of these "bad" translations (I think they're pretty good, hmph! Thanks a lot Nintendo of America >=. I'll make sure to fix the ones that are just a different translation (e.g. Agility / Dexterity). I also agree that the ones that are de-branded (Pocky, Meiji, TMNT) should keep the same name. As for the pineapple one, the official names change, but the order should be the same as presented in the Splatfest. I'm a bit busy with non-squid things today and tomorrow, but I'll do my best to fix it all over the weekend (and make redirects where applicable). Thanks for your patience! Also, for anyone interested in the various names (looks like Pocky got censored only in English), LeanYoshi datamined all of them here. - 10:15, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Inkopolis Memorial Mixtape
So apparently (at least according to OatmealDome on YT/Twitter) in the Japan-exclusive Off the Hook Live CD there is a special song called Inkopolis Memorial Mixtape that features many different songs from the Splatoon franchise remixed together by DJ Octavio. The thing is, most people already refer to the track heard during the Final Fest announcement trailer as the Inkopolis Memorial Mixtape instead, and I don't know how exactly we're going to differentiate the two. But I think the mixtapes should get their own section on the heard songs' pages (or maybe even its own page) as some of the mixtape versions sound really different from the original version (new sound effects, altered endings for transitions, added vocals, etc), and if we are going to do that we're probably going to need to find a way to not get them mixed up with each other. The hard part is, both mixtapes are made by Octavio so we can't just tack on a "by DJ Octavio" at the end of them.

And also, I left a question on Entropical's talk page about something else, but I don't think anyone's seen it yet, so I'd thought I'd leave a notice about it here~ S u n d a e Squid  Talk  09:05, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The Final Fest's trailer music is just called "SPLATOCALYPSE" and is not credited to DJ Octavio in the track listing, so that makes differentiating easier. ^^ Hadamsj (talk) 09:12, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok. I just saw several videos of the Splatocalypse song being called Inkopolis Memorial Mixtape. It'll definitely take a while to add info about the real memorial mixtape to so many different pages because of how many songs are included xD Should we make a page for it, though? -- S u n d a e Squid S Weapon Main Octobrush.png Talk  09:18, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it would be the first song page where the song isn't heard in-game, which I'm kinda hesitant on doing, but I could see a page being useful. 16:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Alright. I'll wait a little longer just in case other opinions pop up~ S u n d a e Squid S Weapon Main Octobrush.png Talk  00:00, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

If we were to make a separate page for it, though, where would it go on the s/s2 music navbox templates? Or would it just not be on either? And in the infobox, would we just not have a "heard in splatoon"/"heard in splatoon 2" section? There's going to be a bit of a problem making it into a page since it's never heard in-game. -- S u n d a e Squid  Talk  03:07, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That's kinda why I'm hesitant about it, but I think the best way would be to rename the navbox to be "Music of Splatoon 2" instead of "Music in Splatoon 2", and have a section called "Other" or "non-game" or something. May look a bit weird with only the one song in that section, but I can think of a few other candidates, although I guess it's more important to get all the in-game songs sorted first. 09:32, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Renaming the navbox sounds good, and I agree on making the in-game song pages first before we make one for the mixtape. I'll start adding the mixtape to the featured songs' pages whenever I get the time~ S u n d a e Squid S Weapon Main Octobrush.png Talk  11:04, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I know this is kind of a different situation, but we had a scenario where a song in Splatoon 1 appeared on an album but not in the game - the Chorus of Calamari County. That time, it was just appended onto the normal Calamari Inkantation page and not added to the navbox. Yes, the Mixtape features loads of songs and therefore way more work, but could something similar happen with that? GloverMist (talk) 14:11, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh there have been many songs not heard in game affixed to other articles, such as the Splattack! trailer remixes, this would just be the first one where it has its own article. And yes, we will have to list a section to every single song included, but I do see the merit of a big breakdown article listing all the songs, and the changes and additions. 15:35, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Hyperlinks Not Working
So I created a song page and I edited other pages so that the song link would link them to the song page 4 dunno. I did this, but when I go to the Octo Expansion levels and click on the links, it won't take me to the song page. I'm fairly new here and all my other song links have worked. Does anyone know why it's not working this time and how I fix it? Malkiboy
 * What page is not taking you to the song page? Heddy (talk) 22:58, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That’s because you were linking it to a page called “#4 dunno,” which isn’t a page. To link it to “4 dunno,” you have to do #4 dunno. The first half before the | is the page you’re linking it to, and the second half after it is what the text says. We have to do this for the dedf1sh songs because for some reason Inkipedia doesn’t let us put #s in article titles. Does that even make sense lol I just woke up and I’m really tired xD I’ll fix it for you, if you don’t mind. S u n d a e Squid S Weapon Main Octobrush.png Talk  01:44, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Malkiboy

InfoboxGobbler
I'm fairly new here, but I was wondering what the InfoboxGobbler actually does. When I create new pages, sometimes I refer to other ones and I see InfoboxGobbler, but I don't know what that does or what it means. I know it has something to do with the Infobox, but what does it do or mean? Malkiboy
 * This takes multiple infoboxes from across the page and displays them in one large infobox where it is written, being able to change between them through tabs at the top. The example on Now or Never! is good: see how you can tab between the different versions, rather than having separate infoboxes piled on top each other? That's what InfoboxGobbler does! (Sometimes you have to reload the page, though.) Hope that helps explain it.
 * Also, to sign your name on talk pages, just type four ~ symbols in a row with no other text. It should convert to a signature like mine automatically when you preview it! GloverMist (talk) 07:57, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * In addition, it is unnecessary to use it when there's only one infobox, it just does nothing. Also, can someone make a proper music infobox template soon pretty please? 11:16, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Icons in article text
Look at this gear page, or any other gear page, and notice how the page is littered with images next to links, mid-sentence in the article text. It wasn't always like this. I've noticed that excessive usage of these icons has been slowly spreading to other wiki pages besides the gear pages. I'd like to get a consensus on how these icons should be used. Personally, I believe their use should be greatly restricted compared to what we have now, for these reasons:
 * Links to gear, weapons, etc. are not necessarily more important than any other link, so they shouldn't have images making them stand out from other links.
 * The images are distracting, interrupting the normal flow of reading.
 * Other wikis don't do this, at least not to this extent.
 * It just looks bad lol. Can we be a bit more profreshional?

Please share your opinions. Heddy (talk) 22:41, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Proposal: restrict use of icons in article text.

Support

 * Support. I suggest keeping link icons only for where they make sense, meaning infoboxes, tables, etc. I do not want to see them in the main article text. Heddy (talk) 22:41, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. I think the icons belong to infoboxes or tables rather than inside paragraphs. Also, when you try to copy text, you get the same word twice because of the image:Red. Also, this disturbs some of the tables: for example: in list of weapons when you try to organize by availability (cost), you get unorganized list which is somehow disrupted - It disrupts the alphabetical order. 00:12, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Adding to what has been said, I also think it adds more work than necessary when writing an article. Hadamsj (talk) 02:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Everything said before. I have no more to add.  Fun P L #0529 (talk)  04:30, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Although I definitely see a use for them, such as in infoboxes, they certainly do add extra work and some clutter to readability. So, supported! GloverMist (talk) 06:43, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Return of Inkling of the month?
Now that version 5.0 was the last update to add new content, and Splatoon 2’s final fest occured two months ago, there would be a reduction of traffic in the wiki for lack of new content. I think since now that the Splatfest widget is gone for the main page and we need something to inspire editors to keep on editing and reward them for their efforts. I think we should bring back old tradition that helped the wiki in it's old days for improving and uniting. I believe we should bring back Inkling/Octoling of the month back for the following reasons:
 * Reward editors for their hard work and contributions.
 * Inspire editors to keep editing now that the game is not getting new content and Splatoon 3 hasn't been announced that it is in production.
 * Spatfest widget is no longer necessary on the main page and there can be a spot for that widget between news and poll.
 * Bring back old tradition that was fun and united the editors.
 * Complement other editors and have a nice competition vote.

Please share your thoughts. 01:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Proposal: bring back Inkling of the month.

Support

 * Support. I think it would inspire people to edit and will only benefit the wiki. I don't see any downside with this being interactive. 01:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Agreed, this sounds like a fun idea that doesn't really have any drawbacks! Would definitely help with a sense of camaraderie. GloverMist (talk) 06:43, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. I fully agree that we should bring this back. I'll please new editors that they have an award and it creates wider feeling of the community supporting every editor. --S2 Icon Inkling Squid Green.png Splatana   talk   contribs  S2 Icon Inkling Squid Pink.png 09:26, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. As with the previous suggestion I have nothing to add.  Fun P L #0529 (talk)  09:55, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Neat. 10:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. 20:53, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Heddy (talk) 22:07, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Other comments

 * Not really suggesting to change it per say, but Inkling/Octoling of the month is a kinda cumbersome name. 10:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This was ended was due to lack of interest. I doubt that has changed. I suggest changing it to be more interesting somehow, otherwise it will be just like it was, not getting any votes, duplicate nominations for people who already won before, and generally zero enthusiasm from Inkipedia users. Also should just be named "Editor of the Month" or something like that. Heddy (talk) 21:53, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Collaboration of Inkipedia and the competitive scene
One of the big missed opportunites in my opinion of the wiki is the connection between us Inkipedia - the Splatoon wiki and the competitive Splatoon scene. Splatoon 2 is Nintendo's attempt to reach competitive e-Sports by bringing us Spectator Mode, the shoal and annual championships and tournaments. I was small amount of time in the competitive scene and I've noticed collaboration and partnering between all around the Splatoon community: Between Tournament Organizers to Artists, Casters, Streamers, and partnering of Inkademy with InkLeague that run LUTI- a Big seasonal tournament with divisions. I think Inkipedia should take part of the competitive scene: collab with a tournament organization from time to time, cover official comeptitive tournaments and teams, cover history of the game by talking about meta and the reasons of it being shifted. Further more for the following reasons:


 * Bring more attention to Inkipedia, the Splatoon wiki. Which can bring more editors.
 * Understand more about the game and its aspects, for ex. Right side peeking of the characters shooting from the the right hand and bomb launcher from left hand, and other techniques that explain more about the game. I recently discovered that since Splatlings shoot really close to the ground, they struggle against enemies that are in higher ground since the weapon shoots really low, this is something that is objective and is relevant to cover in the Splatoon wiki.
 * Learn more about the competitive side of Splatoon and it's team aspect of the game. Teamwork, Co-ordination, Roles, Community, Nintendo local organizations that cover tournaments.
 * Cover history of meta and team comps to show why recent patches nerfed or buffed certain weapons.
 * (.52 Gal and .96 Gal Deco Splash Wall were meta in the first game since the Splash Wall had high resistance which is only covered in a small patch update, that meta was a big part of the game and of the patches that came after that (.96 gal nerf) and shows history of the game.
 * Dynamo and it's nerfs and buffs along the two games.
 * Tenta Missiles history with it's origin name of launching ten missiles that was covered in Nintendo Treehouse before the launch of the game and it's buff that made it shoot ten missiles.
 * Nerfs to Ink Armor weapons (N-ZAP, Tri-Slosher, Kensa Undercover Brella, H-3 Nozzlenose) and how the meta drifted each patch, and why Armor weapons got those nerfs.
 * Show why Special Gauge points nerfs allowed Nintendo to balance weapons more easily by having each weapon have it's own special points gauge rather than the change of special depletion in the first game.

Me and DaDoc540 started to cover some of the official Splatoon tournaments and teams but we only scratched the surface. I know a wiki is suppose to be objective and have no opinions but that does not mean it should not cover the history of the game and it's community aspect.

Please share your thoughts. 01:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Proposal: reach out to the competitive scene.

Support

 * Support. It will enrich the wiki and the knowledge about the game. Make Inkipedia relevant to the Splatoon community. Bring more audience and opinions to the wiki. 01:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. While the wiki is obviously for encyclopaedia content first and foremost, I believe this kind of thing would broaden the scope and depth of Inkipedia, which sounds perfect. I'm personally not good at competitive, so it would be fascinating for me too! GloverMist (talk) 06:43, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. It will be great!  Fun P L #0529 (talk)  09:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Competitive stuff is kinda lacking on this wiki. 10:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Other comments

 * Meh. As long as opinions, speculation, and unofficial competitive history and information stays quarantined in the "competitive" namespace I don't oppose having additional competitive info on Inkipedia. Heddy (talk) 22:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)