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Splatfest Images
I think it would be good if someone can get images from the night stages and inkopolis plaza as well as the squid sisters for their appearances during splatfest. I don't know how to get the pictures, so if someone could, that'd be great.Vernanonix (talk) 15:10, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The easiest way to capture pictures is to press the Home button when something you want to capture is on either the TV or gamepad, then use the Internet browser and upload the picture to a image-hosting site of your choice. I use Google Drive. I captured images of the three stages and took like two pics of the plaza... I uploaded one of them and can upload the other one now I suppose. --sunmarsh  ( talk )  17:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

IRC Channel
Hi everyone! First of all, I'd like to congratulate Inkipedia on becoming a member of NIWA. It's great to see that organization grow and have another wiki as an addition. A lot of the NIWA wikis have IRC channels - for those who don't know, an IRC channel is a chatroom where members can communicate real-time, similar to the Skype setup you guys have now. The reason why I'm suggesting an IRC channel is because it's an option that has a lot more features and allows the Inkipedia staff more control over what happens; there's also no need for an invite process, as a chatbox can be put up on one of the pages here and any Inkipedia visitor can join. If an invite system is necessary, there are options for that as well in an IRC channel. The other great thing is that IRC channels are located on a network - I run an IRC network called StarNet, which is already a home to some Nintendo-related websites (namely, the Super Mario Bros. X project). Users from multiple channels on a network can join other channels and communicate with eachother, which allows every community involved to gain new members and grow. Just thought I'd post this here in case you all are interested. Feel free to drop me a line on my talk page, send me an email, or visit the StarNet website. (edit: I totally forgot to sign this, sorry) - Zarpho (talk) 22:19, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I think this is a good idea. The reason we currently use Skype is because it's easy for users who aren't currently in the chat to read it once they get on and catch up with everything that's been discussed. What does everyone else think? -  Shrimp Pin  22:11, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There are ways to implement features that can allow users to see what has happened before they've joined as well. Zarpho (talk) 01:01, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * people still use IRC? :P Honestly, while I'm sure it would have its benefits, I feel like it's a thing most people aren't familiar with (due to the fact it is a bit dated) and is just an additional thing to learn how to use to be able to participate in the community discussion – which I do think may dissuade people. I don't have an IRC client installed and wouldn't want to get one just for Inkipedia – and keeping a mibbit-powered tab open at all times isn't really practical either. I like how on Skype we can see past messages to catch up on what we missed, too! –Eli (talk) 03:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * While IRC does have a lot more features, some of which that can take longer to learn how to use, in terms of jumping in and chatting it's actually as simple as opening a page and choosing a nickname, and it doesn't involve the invite process or installing Skype. Clients like IRCCloud allow viewing scrollback. Zarpho (talk) 01:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Fully support IRC - the API is open unlike Skype which is Microsoft proprietary and needs developer setup. That means programmers can have bots that can play games or report useful information. Also has a much more intuitive permissions system. And we can do a public link and have people moderate the chat. I'd be willing to set this up / register. Big thumbs up from me. 23:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I support IRC too. Like Eli said, I don't want to grab one software so I can use it for one thing. (in my case Skype) It's way faster to join a chat and way less of a resource hog among other things compared to Skype. (depending on the client of course) If people don't want to use IRC, we could look into Slack too, it's closer to Skype and registering is easy. PPLToast (talk) 05:21, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Happy to see you guys are interested. If you do end up setting up a channel, feel free to send me a message (I'm usually on IRC as 'Joey' instead of Zarpho) and I'll help you guys out if necessary. Zarpho (talk) 12:40, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Writing
Do you guys think there's any merit in trying to decipher the writing written around the plaza? Right now, we do have some confirmed words in Cat, Dog, Pop, and Rock which can be seen on Splatfest t-shirts. Think it's worth making an article on?Vernanonix (talk) 16:18, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it's been discovered that it's all basically gibberish, except for a few key words like you mentioned (unless it's a more difficult language, closer to Japanese which has a lot more than 26 characters). -  Shrimp Pin  22:13, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * We have Inkling (language) if you'd like to add any notes =) 23:10, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, I'm not sure where our current article gets its info from, but this thread on Squidboards is a treasure trove of info. --sunmarsh  ( talk )  17:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Inkipedia Patreon/Shop?
In order to help cover hosting costs and any future prizes we're planning (wink), it would be nice to have an Inkipedia bank to draw funds from. Ideas have been thrown around including a Patreon for people to directly donate to, and a shop with unique Inkipedia merchandise. What are y'all's thoughts? -  Shrimp Pin  00:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I think the Patreon idea is good. Thesquidsisters (talk) 00:09, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ditto for me! great idea - spencer (talk)


 * Before I make a decision and state my thoughts on the matter, I would like to ask: What merchandise would we be able to create and sell within a possible shop? --SgvSth (talk) 04:00, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't see us being legally able to sell any merchandise with Nintendo content on it. I could see us selling merchandise with just the Inkipedia logo text on it, or maybe some fun phrases ("Squid or a kid"...hah). ~Super Hamster  Talk 18:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Which was what my issue was. Even the Inkipedia logo might run into issues due to the squid potentially being a trademark of Nintendo.  I do not like the Paypal idea below, but the Patreon idea might work out along with possibly having an ad system on the site.  --SgvSth (talk) 02:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * If possible I'd prefer donating to a paypal account to avoid fees associated with a middleman website. Also as far as merch goes I think that the squid eyes (+mouth?) in silhouette would look cool on a tee (or a cap, if that's possible...). Ooh, or a tee with an ink splatter pattern all over it (not just the front or back).--sunmarsh  ( talk )  00:17, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I am 500% not okay with the idea of selling Nintendo-related content, by the way. It's copyrighted stuff. Us doing what we do for fun is one thing, but the second money starts coming into the picture, we start treading on thin ice. – EspyoT 07:59, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

I would totally buy some Splatoon related merch from a shop. I don't know how you would host it honestly. PlayR489 (talk)

Feature Requests
Hey, so while using this wiki, I notice two things:

1. Special:Upload has no option to upload images by URL.

2. Special:RecentChanges has no Who's Online feature so you can see what users are online.

Could it be possible to implement these to this wiki? Since I'm so familiar with the other NIWA Wiki I first came from (MarioWiki) that has both of these features, I don't think it'd be too out of the question to add. Unless this wiki runs on a different version of MediaWiki or something, I think this could be arranged. UltraInkling3000 (talk) 13:26, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Upload by URL is a bit traitorous, as people can upload other's work without giving it a second thought, given how easy it is. I'll speak to Prod about it. The list of people who are online is a good idea, yes. I wonder why it's not there by default. – EspyoT 08:03, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Upload by url is currently sysop only. It's up to the community if that needs to be changed.
 * From a quick check of the code to Extension:WhosOnline, it does a database commit on every view, and users are marked "online" for an hour after a page view. This seems like it would cause quite a bit of load on the database.  Based on analytics, the average user stays on the website for about 5 minutes.  How much is this feature used?
 * -- Prod (talk) 02:49, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If the online user list puts a large strain on the server, I don't think it's necessary enough to implement. I suppose it's useful to see who's online in the event we want to contact someone (particularly admins), but I don't think that's too much in demand. Also concerned about users' privacy, if someone doesn't want to be seen as online. ~Super Hamster  Talk 02:58, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Youch. Yeah, if it's heavy, never mind. – EspyoT 08:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Navigation
Could Stages be added to the front page navigation so its easier to find? I don't like digging thorugh a bunch of articles to find the index for them. redactedjpg
 * Done. 22:08, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Revised Ink Colors
I wanted to provide some colors that are a bit more accurate to the Ink colors used in Splatoon on the Wiki, as shown here. Also, Redirect pages don't seem to work properly. Superjustinbros (talk) 14:30, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * On the bit about redirects, here is how the redirect should be formatted to work. The page that users will be directed to needs brackets around it and both it and the redirect code needs to be connected with a colon.  --SgvSth (talk) 14:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * OCD note - the colon is not necessary but if you're going to use it, it should go inside the link. The colon denotes a namespace (Template:, File: etc.) and the main namespace (Main) is signified as :Article. For example, Main Pages --> Main Page and Main Page --> Main Page are the same but :Main Page is "append a colon to the front of the link that goes to the Main Page".
 * The correct way to form a redirect is
 * or
 * or
 * Ink colours look good! 18:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ink colours look good! 18:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Skype group link
I know this might be obsolete soon with the IRC channel proposal going through, but I think that the Skype group should at least have a  link to allow people to join the chat, instead of having users request to be added instead. It would be a safer then waiting for a sysop to remove usernames and summaries from the edit history. Also, it would be more convenient. In the Skype group settings, checking the "Allow people to join this group" box gives the group a link. Using that link in Skype allows a user to join the group. InkTempest (talk) 02:35, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You're saying it's safer, but it's quite the opposite, it's quicker but you could get anons who could click it. Inkling luke.png (Inkling talk.png) 13:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought anons were supposed to be included? Anyway, I think anons could just join IRC chat anyway so nothing really changes. InkTempest (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Instant Messaging Comparison
If we're thinking about moving from Skye, then I and Espyo thought we should have a comparison between software before we make a decision. Please add any more reasons you can think of to the table. 16:34, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

 Vote:  here

 Join Slack:  here


 * I'm all for Slack. 16:34, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ditto here - spencer (talk) also strawpoll
 * The thing about Slack is that it only has certain features unless you pay for it. It's also a nonstandard means of communication, especially among similar communities. What Skype and IRC both do better is that they have a huge group of people that already use them, making connections between users of different places really easy. One IRC client will give you access to hundreds of networks with tens of thousands of people; I could give a list of just the Nintendo-related websites that use IRC and it'd be too long! IRC is familiar to your target audience, and I think it'd be the best option in terms of helping Inkipedia grow while also being a solid way to communicate. Zarpho (talk) 03:42, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Voted for Slack. I personally wouldn't want to use IRC or Skype for Inkipedia chat. --NefariousSquid (talk) 05:01, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm late to reply here, but I voted for IRC. By the sound of it, it's more accessible, seeing as it allows unregistered members to chat. I think that right there is a very important feature, personally. SilverStarlight (talk) 00:26, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

What's up with all this content merging?
I don't understand why we're trying to condense everything. I 100% believe that shops need their own pages, so it really doesn't make sense to me for them all to simply be a sentence on Booyah Base... What are y'all's thoughts? Aren't shops big enough subjects to warrant individual pages? -  Shrimp Pin  00:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I think I agree. We've got one game to cover and we shouldn't be too worried about having pages that are very specific. There's a bit more we can cover about each shop, such as pics, location on the map, and shop name puns. ~Super Hamster  Talk 04:06, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If someone wants to flesh out the shop sections of Booyah Base to include more information, then I could see them becoming their own pages. With the amount of content they have now they would just go back to being stubs. --sunmarsh  ( talk )  22:25, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Literally the point of a wiki is that it's editable by anyone. The fact that a shop page was a stub yesterday doesn't mean it will be today; just put those pages on the Current Projects list and we'll get to it. There's absolutely no reason to completely remove the pages. -  Shrimp Pin  22:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Image Categorization
Would implementation of some kind of category tree make images easier to find? Right now everything is in one lump category and trying to look for a particular image without the filename is a pain (for example, I had to go through the fairuse category page by page looking for this image, which I assumed had been uploaded, for the Super Jump page). Other trees I've seen include divisions by type and game, for example Category:Splatoon Artwork and Category:Splatoon Screenshots. (Of course, the division by game is superfluous right now since there's only one game in the series, but when sequels arrive it would be handy.) Any thoughts? It would be labor intensive, but potentially useful. Embyr 75 (talk) 00:10, 20 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I added two splat zone overhead maps, and put them in the existing "stage maps" category. However, I wanted to put them into a category for the map name and the mode name (example:  and  ).  I think it would be nice to build up a set of categories, but I don't know if I should just start categorizing things, or if it's better to get a consensus on what the category tree should be.  I have experience categorizing data on various wiki's, but that doesn't mean I'd necessarily make the best of category trees.  (Also, sentence case or title case?  Same question for section headers and page titles.) Christopher Fritz (talk)

Policy and minor infobox change
I think the leaks policy should be updated to match this.

Also, I posted the following here a while back, but since, I assume, the page gets infrequent visits, here it is again:

The template is locked, so I'm asking for an admin to add "Instructions" under "Ranked" here. This would be for the brief descriptions of how to play the mode that appear before a match starts. For mode categories (including Regular Battle and Ranked Battle), the brief descriptions appear in Inkopolis Tower (mode selection screen) before selecting a mode, underneath the category.

Examples of the brief descriptions:
 * Turf War - Ink the most turf to win!
 * Regular Battle - Play Turf War with players all over the world.
 * Splat Zones - Control the zones!
 * Ranked Battle - Face off in more competitive battles.

Thanks. --NefariousSquid (talk) 03:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Splatoon website descriptions
Could we add descriptions and profiles from the | official Splatoon website on character pages, Inkling page, game mode pages, Splatfest page, locations pages, weapons pages, and amiibo page? MarioWiki has done something | similar with profiles, and I feel this could work on Inkipedia as well. Although, we wouldn't have to make separate pages for these, because unlike Mario, Splatoon has only had one game so far. So what we could do is just add sections to whatever articles also have descriptions and profiles from the site.--UltraInkling3000 (talk) 17:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. – EspyoT 18:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sweet, good to hear that Espyo. I'll start adding them I suppose.--UltraInkling3000 (talk) 19:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Spoilers template
Currently our spoilers template isn't that great. Linking to an article spoils the spoilers, and mobile users can't highlight. I made this, which may be better. If you would like to vote here that would be cool. 16:52, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Didn't see this before I posted a similar message. I completely agree. -  Shrimp Pin  23:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Handling spam accounts/pages?
How should pages like Sago123 be handled? Wipe out page and replace with ? Is there a better idea?

If it was a normal page, I'd revert, but what would be the best way to alert an admin? --Christopher Fritz (talk) 11:37, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * should do the trick. Inkling luke.png (Inkling talk.png) 14:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, please use the tag Luke said. It's the most convenient, quick, and logical way to do it. An admin will swoop by later and delete it. – EspyoT 08:09, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Different way to handle spoilers?
To be frank, the current spoiler method we employ is quite unattractive. To anyone who is unaware of what I'm talking about, any content containing "spoilers" is blocked away in beige and requires highlighting to uncover what it says. It disrupts the flow of pages and hides actual, good content from visitors. I think we should do away with this system and instead issue a small warning similar to the stub template at the top of each spoiler-y article. We shouldn't have to nanny everything people see. A spoiler warning should be good enough. Thoughts? -  Shrimp Pin  23:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

I guess it's a good idea, that's what most wikis have and it seems to work well. Personally I like what Steam does where you must mouse over blacked-out spoiler content to view it, but I guess that would be hard to implement? Calllack (talk) 13:49, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Urchin Underpass
I was wondering, how are we going to deal with the changes to Urchin Underpass. I think we should move the old page and make it "Urchin Underpass (old)" (or something like that) and make a new page for the "new" Urchin Underpass. Jer455 (talk) 04:18, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If we're splitting it, I suggest "Urchin Underpass (release)" or "Urchin Underpass (May 2015)" in anticipation of potential future changes. --Christopher Fritz (talk) 04:42, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I am more in favor of "Urchin Underpass (1.3.0)" or "Urchin Underpass (Initial)." --SgvSth (talk) 05:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just a heading two section should do. No need for a split imo. Inkling luke.png (Inkling talk.png) 14:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * However, they are now two different maps. One is online only and the other is offline only.  At the least, splitting them would give both articles the space I believe that they need.  --SgvSth (talk) 16:13, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess we could move the current page and name it Urchin Underpass (Initial Release) and someone could, on the locations pro, add to the end of Urchin Underpass "(Initial)" just like how on the weapons pro they have "Splattershot (Tentatek)"  for the basic, and the branded versions. Then we just edit the page "Urchin Underpass" so that it matches up with the current version. Jer455 (talk) 18:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think any split is necessary. Just update the current page with all the new info and move all the previous information into a section titled "Pre-August and Offline Versions" or something similar. They're all Urchin Underpass. -  Shrimp Pin  20:44, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

User page creating
I think you should make your user page, only if you are autoconfirmed or something. There's a lot of spam accounts being made here, and that should limit them from making a user page. Thoughts? 09:54, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think many new users like to create their userpage as one of their first edits, and I'd hate to limit that option. To combat the spam accounts, I think the best thing to do at this point is find a better way to verify that a user is human at account registration. ~Super Hamster  Talk 01:31, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Seconded Hamster: user page edits are fine and many treat their userpages as sandboxes, especially for first edits. I'll look into having some sort of spam fighting bot as the behaviour of these edits is pretty consistent. 10:41, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Isn't Splatoon's singleplayer mode called... oh, y'know, Hero Mode? Why is is called Octo Valley here?
Hey, I would like someone to answer this please... why is Hero Mode called Octo Valley here? Technically yes, it takes place in Octo Valley, but that's not the singleplayer campaign is called... Anyway, I'm not trying to create a big ruckus or anything, I would just like to know why. --SkittlesBeats 00:50, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * From the Octo Valley talk page, it seems that the name Hero Mode was a translation of the Japanese name used in pre-release teasers, and that Octo Valley is the official (English) name for the mode, as shown on the official website. --Kaioora (talk) 01:22, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * To add to that, aside from the only mention of Hero Mode on Nintendo.com being for The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, this Iwata Asks has a bit from Tsubasa Sakaguchi (Director on Splatoon) on why the single-player mode was added.  In Nintendo's official English translation, the quote is: "We also made a single-player mode called Octo Valley for players who had never played competitive games before and were hesitant to start right off competing online. If you play in Octo Valley for a while, you’ll learn battle techniques." --Christopher Fritz (talk) 04:43, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Cap'n Cuttlefish's Species
An inkling is a squid/human hybrid. Cap'n Cuttlefish is a cuttlefish/human hybrid, therefore he is not an inkling. Cuttlefish and squid are similar, but not the same. (I learned this while searching for squids at an aquarium haha)
 * There's not really much evidence as if he is actually a cuttlefish. Sure, his name has 'Cuttlefish' in it, but no one knows if that was only meant to be a pun/similar-sounding words. 08:37, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Worthwhile reads:
 * Wikipedia Japanese page on Surume. The page begins with "スルメ（鯣）" or "Dried squid (cuttlefish)".  At the end of that first paragraph, it says "俗語としてアタリメとも言う. "  "It also called Atarime as slang."  (Atarime is Cap'n Cuttlefish's Japanese name.)
 * Jump over to the English Wikipedia page, and it says: "Dried shredded squid is a dried, seasoned, seafood product, made from squid or cuttlefish, commonly found in coastal Asian countries, Russia, and Hawaii. The snack is also referred to as dried shredded cuttlefish."
 * I think it's not as straightforward as we'd probably like. --Christopher Fritz (talk) 15:49, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Cardigan Orphan Page
Cardigan is an orphan page (or was until I just used it) and it has no need to exist.--Nougatbat (talk) 21:09, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If you don't think it has a reason to exist, then you can just mark it for deletion. Then an admin can decide to delete it or keep it. IanMS00 (talk) 21:38, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * To add to that, Template:Delete would be used to mark for deletion. --Christopher Fritz (talk) 21:40, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * However, since it's a disambiguation page, I don't think it will be deleted. Even if it's not linked to, anyone looking for something called Cardigan in Splatoon will have their options showed to them on that page. You should probably just leave it. IanMS00 (talk) 21:42, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Disambiguation pages should rarely be linked to in the first place, actually, and it's perfectly fine that we have orphaned ones. ~Super Hamster  Talk 23:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

"He/She" Versus "They"
Okay, since I'm a high schooler in honor's literature classes, I'm having a lot of grammar and formatting rules drilled into my head so I can write formally. One of the most important, and the most confusing and controversial, that I've learned are using pronouns correctly. Specifically, he, she, and they. "He", She", etc. are singular, while "they" and "their" are plural. On this wiki, this problem occurs most often when editors use the word "player" to describe a person playing the game in third person. Usually, editors will use the pronouns "they" or "their" to describe the "player" later in the sentence or article. For example, "When on a player's shoes, any time they Super Jump, the point marker indicating where they will land will not appear". However, the use of "they" in this sentence is technically incorrect, as "they" is plural, but "player" is singular. The correct sentence is "When on a player's shoes, any time he Super Jumps, the point marker indicating where he will land will not appear". This is why whenever I see this mistake in articles, I change "they" or "their" to "he" or "his". (Technically, the correct thing in this situation is to put "he or she" or "his or her", but "he" is just easier, and "he or she" sounds a bit too clunky). However, I know that this rule is for formal writing, and this wiki isn't exactly supposed to be written in formal MLA formatting. I also know that the English language has adopted the plural pronouns to be used even when the subject is singular, mainly to avoid sexism. So, basically, I ask if we should make it a point to correct these mistakes, or if we should just leave them, as most people do not care either way. IanMS00 (talk) 02:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)