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Proposing the Proposals Proposal with the Proposals Proposal Proposal
Hello gang. I am suggesting that Inkipedia implements a Proposal system similar to Wikipedia, MarioWiki, Pikipedia, and WiKirby. This will allow easier, consistent site changes to the site viewable in one place. It can be found at the following Proposals Proposal Proposal page—voting is available on this page. Trig - 23:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

There are a few things I think need discussing regarding this, the first is: do we need a new policy page for this? Why not modify the voting and consensus policies? Heddy (talk) 00:49, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Update: before we can vote on implementing Trig's proposed system for proposals, we have to make Inkipedia policy compatible with it. Specifically, Inkipedia's policy of requiring consensus but not clearly defining what consensus is, and allowing a single staff member to shoot down proposals, is what must be changed first. I will create an Ink Pump vote for this, in a new section. Heddy (talk) 01:52, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The consensus policy is now compatible with Trig's proposed dedicated page for submitting proposals. Now, we will vote to approve the creation of the dedicated proposal page. If successful, this should be the last policy proposal vote to take place in Ink Pump, though Ink Pump will continue to be the place to discuss proposals before votes are created. Heddy (talk) 07:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Make a Main Page/Challenge tab
The Challenge mode tab for the wiki should be added soon. Limited-time events like this usually come up on the Main Page, and it should be added there too soon. KPOfficial26 (talk) 14:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah I feel like it should too! I'll ask someone who can edit the page if they can add it! *aggressive introverting* Marie dance.gif Mariefan 15:17, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems like these ltms like these might be main-page worthy only when they are available. I'll put some options in another reply. -Xando (talk) 15:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, Challenges have a similar status to Eggstra Work and should therefore be on the Main Page. At least the New Season Challenge should be added there. Whether other Challenges will be added to the schedule would depend on their frequency. 15:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Assesing some options to put Challenges on main page. Please note YOU ARE NOT VOTING ON THIS. This is just something I put together to assess options. Reply to talk about the options.

1: Similar to splatfests, add challenges as soon as they are announced and keep them until another challenge is announced One might like option one due to staying in-the-know at all times for upcoming and concluded challenges. 2: Add challenges only a day or so before they start, and take them down about a day before they end There's a lot of stuff on the main page, but it's main page worthy enough.
 * 2a Add another widget in and extend the page


 * 2bi: Replace big run widget


 * 2bii: Replace splatfest widget


 * 2biii: Replace whichever is older/not ongoing at the moment.

3: Don't add them onto main page at all This might be because there's too much stuff on the main page already, and what's there already should stay there.

-Xando (talk) 15:53, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * We do not yet know the frequency of challenges, if they are more frequent than once per month or something, we should create a different widget to not obstruct the schedule for less frequent events. If they are around once a month, I think it is fine to implement a Challenge schedule the same way as Big Run/Splatfest/Eggstra Work schedules. 15:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Pages for major minor musicians
So this is a topic that's been on my mind a bit after the addition of Yoko & the Gold Bazookas in the latest update. As it currently stands, I really like the system we have in place for handling lore for minor band members. Most of them don't have enough information to warrant getting their own pages, and given most of these characters are only ever seen in the context of their respective bands, it makes sense to handle the information this way. I feel like making dedicated pages for most of these characters would only lead to a lot of unnecessary clutter more efficiently conveyed in a single page.

That being said, in Splatoon 3, we've been seeing many more instances of musicians featuring in multiple bands, which has me questioning how we should handle these characters. Previously, Quinn was the only example of this, and while splitting his information across two pages felt somewhat awkward, it made more sense than making an exception for a single musician. But with characters like Ichiya and Yoko (and to a lesser extent, Nami and Murasaki) getting similar treatments, I feel it may be worth re-evaluating how we handle them. I still feel like these characters may be too minor to warrant their own pages, but at the same time, I feel it'd be nice to have all the information on them in one place rather than splitting it up somewhat arbitrarily, and it'd be useful for handling minor factoids unrelated to either of their bands (e.g. Beika mentioning Ichiya growing up in the Splatlands).

(For clarification, I'm solely considering this for characters that have been in multiple bands. For characters like the Bottom Feeders, I still feel like just putting all their information on the band page is the right call, given there's not really any reason to handle it otherwise.)

I'm genuinely not sure where I fall on this myself, so I'd love to hear how others think we should address this. WayslideCool (talk) 04:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I think that it makes more sense to have separate pages for some of the musicians in multiple bands. I agree with the reasons you mentioned. I think there is enough information about Quinn and Ichiya for them to have their own pages, as well as possibly Yoko. I don't think there is enough information about Nami and Murasaki for them to have their own pages. I am concerned that the new pages will be very short, but it will make information about them easier to find, as well as making it possible to add information such as the things from the Splatune 3 booklet.  06:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I think I feel about the same way, I only brought up Nami and Murasaki because they've also been in multiple bands, but given they're barely mentioned in the Splatune 3 booklet, I'm not sure if they really deserve pages of their own. I feel like if we're going to go through with this, however, we'd need to decide on some parameter that defines whether a character "deserves" their own page or not. I decided to write a rough draft of what a Quinn page could look like in my sandbox, and I'm not honestly sure if it's swung me either way on this proposal. I think it feels really nice to have all this information in one place rather than needing to look around multiple pages to get the full picture, but I also kinda feel like it's just restating a lot of information that may fit better elsewhere. I don't think the article feels too short though, I feel like our articles on a lot of the shopkeepers are of a similar length. I'm personally always gonna be a little biased in favor of the bands, but that's no way to run a wiki, is it? WayslideCool (talk) 12:49, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry if this is written badly. I am slightly tired right now since it is late.
 * Your draft is great. It definitely has enough information. I agree that it is nice to have all the information on one page.
 * If we do make these pages, could the parameter for deciding whether a character gets one possibly be currently having a significant amount of information about them on multiple pages? For example, Quinn has information in both Squid Squad and Diss-Pair, and Ichiya has information in Squid Squad along with being mentioned in the Splatune 3 booklet. I am still not sure about whether Yoko needs a page, since there isn't a lot of information about her. However, the information about her on the Ink Theory page that is still relevant now, so it seems strange for it to all be there.
 * Maybe we should create pages for any member in multiple bands? The issue then is that there will be some short pages without much information, but maybe that is better than having information about characters on multiple pages. For example, someone reading Front Roe would find out very little about the members unless they also look at Squid Squad. If there were pages for Nami and Murasaki, then I think it is more likely that people reading the Front Roe page would also look at those pages than the Squid Squad page, since the links to them will be in the Members section.  14:03, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm on board with the idea of dedicated musician pages if they are members of multiple groups. Trig - 18:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

New stage dialog.
Is adding the new stage specific dialog from the splatcast to stages quote pages on the to do list? Mrawesome1010 (talk) 04:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Some editors are already working on this, feel free to add missing quotes if you find any, especially in other languages! Thanks!  Eminence    Talk  16:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There is a database I found with the stage quotes. Go to this database, then use the Find Text feature to find News_VersusStage and find the stage's codename. For now, we don't know who is speaking in the game. KPOfficial26 (talk) 10:58, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 6 day difference, but I think it would be a good idea to add Deep Cut's dialogue to the to do list as it is a major project— though if we had more people working on quotes for Deep Cut, this would be a piece of cake.. 15:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Why did I get banned on Discord?
I'm sorry if I got banned, please put back up the invite link. I won't image spam anymore. KPOfficial26 (talk) 11:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello KPOfficial26. If you were banned solely for image spamming, you likely ignored many warnings to stop. That doesn't happen very often, so you may have performed more severe actions than that.
 * In any case, bans on the Discord server are not hugely common and there's generally good reasons for such measures. You may want to think about any actions you could have taken as of late that caused disruption or friction within the server, especially if other users have reacted negatively to such actions. Ballistik57 (talk) 13:25, 14 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Image spam is the least of your worries. From frequently ignoring moderation team asking you to stop doing things like micromanaging, being wildly off-topic, and generally just kind of annoying to broadly making the server uncomfortable whether thats by streaming awkwardly showing your face, making racially insensitive comments, or pissin' on VC. You very clearly have zero understanding of cyber-security or image, and while everyone does need to start somewhere, Inkipedia will not be that place. In an indeterminately long time from today if you believe you have matured significantly from where you are now, you are free to appeal this decision with me (this means many months, minimum) in private. Trig - 17:20, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Cephalopod of the Month or something?
Hey everyone! I think I might've pitched this a while back, but do any of you think we should bring back Squid/Cephalopod of the Month? I personally think that this might motivate some to edit more. I say that because I usually only see the same people making edits when I check the Recent Changes. Just a thought. Let me know what you think! 17:10, 19 June 2023 (UTC)


 * This sounds like a good idea, but how would this be carried out? Something like a vote? S3 Tableturf Card Toni Kensa.png ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 S3 Tableturf Card Annaki.png ( ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖 ) 21:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)


 * This has also been brought up on Inkipedia talk:Inkling of the Month. Staff are discussing it now. Trig - 23:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks for letting me know. Have a great day. 16:54, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Older Weapon Strategy Pages
While looking at older weapon strategy pages (like Splatoon weapons), I noticed there were a lot of extra categories in the infoboxes and of unfinished work. It seemed pretty unnecessary to bother filling these in since most people stopped playing the original game six years ago, but I wanted to get others opinion. Should we focus on the newest release, or should we continue to add information to almost irrelevant areas of the page? Adding to both is also possible, but it is very time consuming and most people come here looking for information on the current game versus the older one. Could I get some insight? Thanks :) ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 ( ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖 ) 22:01, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, it would make sense to try and fill out at least the rudimentary details of those weapons and upgrade them to modern styling. I don't think the descriptions could be feasibly upgraded much, as long as they are generally well written and have relatively coherent detail it should be fine. Trig - 22:30, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you for your help. S3 Tableturf Card Toni Kensa.png ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 S3 Tableturf Card Annaki.png ( ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖 ) 23:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Documenting the video advertisements found in hubs
Hi everyone, I noticed that almost nowhere online seems to document the videos that play on the big screens in the hubs of each game (+ the lobby in Splatoon 3). With how some advertisements interact with in-game events (Big Run) and some seemingly teasing upcoming updates (Z+F was in the game via these ads before they were announced), I feel like it would be good to document them in some way here. These would probably all be put in the galleries of each Hub page.

The ads in-game also seem to have a filter applied to them, so if ripping is feasible, it might make these ads more clear. This could be helpful for the Inkling (language) page since these ads incorporate a lot of text. Ripping wouldn't be necessary for documentation, though, as these can be recorded in-game (though this may be harder for Splatoon 1 and 2). I also don't have access to Splatoon 1, so someone else would need to record those.

Whether you're interested in this, opposed to it, or just have ideas, I'd love to hear your thoughts, so let me know :] 19:23, 25 June 2023 (UTC)


 * To my knowledge these are simple to extract, but I would prefer short clips of each ad are captured instead; extracting the (frame by frame) animations then re-stitching them as .gifs leads to a major loss in quality. Certain animations may have some filters baked-in as well, but my memory's fuzzy on the specifics.
 * The large amount of per-game ads on these screens is reason enough to document these in dedicated subsections per Hub article, or a unified separate article handling documenting all of them. Yoshifan52 (talk) 06:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The filters being baked in is interesting. Asking out of curiosity: do you know if that's the case for Splatoon 3 or just the earlier games? I'm also not sure if there's enough content for a dedicated article. While some ads have interesting trivia attatched to them (specifically Z+F having an ad before it was in the game), most of the ones I know of are pretty basic and can be summed up in a caption. Maybe a category would be better? 00:02, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe the Splatoon 2 ads also had some effects baked in, but I'm not 100% certain. Regardless though, in-game footage (preferably recorded with a capture card) is easier to work with. I'll try to take a look at the internal animations soon, I'll give an update on how workable they are.
 * A sub-section on the hub page is my preferred means of documenting all of them, but that might be too large an amount of video clips to load on an already decently sized page... We have in-universe Company and Graffiti articles already, I don't see why we couldn't make an "Advertisements" article for these ads. I don't think a unique category is necessary, especially since several users have been working to lessen the use of over-specific categories that don't contain a substantial amount of items. Yoshifan52 (talk) 03:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this is a great idea! I would definitely be willing to help with recording them since I have all 3 games. I could rip the textures, but I do agree with Yoshifan that in-game clips are the better way to go for the wiki.
 * Though, if anyone does want them ripped for deciphering, I can extract them (and compile the animated ones into webps) and upload them to google drive or something instead 👍 Sourguppyworm (talk) 08:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool! I'm not sure about the other games but from what I've checked in Splatoon 3's ads, the text is complete gibberish so ripping probably won't be necessary. There aren't many Splatoon 2 ads so I could probably record them all soon. I could also do Splatoon 3's, though I'm not sure which screen to record atm since they all have different flaws haha. Would you want to record Splatoon 1's ads? 23:29, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * i can do that! i'll record them later today so i don't forget again 😅 Sourguppyworm (talk) 20:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you & don't worry about it! I still need to record mine haha 20:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Proposal for new proposal process
This is a proposal created by Trig Jegman to introduce a proposal system to Inkipedia. This will allow people to more appropriately introduce changes to the existing site structure, and can also help establish policy precedents as well.

The proposal includes the creation of a dedicated page to submit policy proposals and vote on them. A draft of the page is available here. The draft includes proposed rules to govern the process.

Up to and including now, policy proposal votes have taken place in multiple places including Ink Pump, and the rules (from the consensus policy) have not been as clearly defined as what Trig is proposing. Trig's proposal will make it easier to see past policy proposals as they will all be in one place (Inkipedia:Proposals), and it will be easier to submit and process proposals with the rules so clearly defined.

This is a vote to approve the proposed dedicated page for policy proposals, and to approve the proposed rules therein. Please sign your name in the relevant section below to support or oppose this proposal. If there is no opposition, the vote will end on 2023-07-18 at July 27, 2024. Otherwise, the vote will end on 2023-08-01 at July 27, 2024.

Heddy (talk) 07:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  08:05, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) Heddy (talk) 13:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 3)   13:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 4)  14:03, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 5) Trig - 14:07, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 6)  16:46, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 7)  17:56, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 8) GloverMist (talk) 17:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 9)  15:18, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 10) S3 Tableturf Card Toni Kensa.png ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 S3 Tableturf Card Annaki.png  ( ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖 ) 03:21, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 11) Sourguppyworm (talk) 08:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Template for Top 100 Splatfest subpages
I think subpages (specifically the Top 100 Splatfest) subpages should get a template of their own, instead of just using the template. I made a template (basically a mockery of real templates), here: User:Randomnamehere/Top 100 template. Subpages like quotes and gallery get their own template, so should the Top 100 subpage. 16:45, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I like this! It looks very recognisable, which is something we need for a template that would be used on so many pages, and would likely save time too. GloverMist (talk) 18:04, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Is this the "okay" for the template? From what I have seen, only administrators can create templates. 00:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Anyone may make templates. Just happens that administrators tend to make them pretty often. This looks fine to me, though I think there could probably be a better image used instead of the current ??? panel. Trig - 03:50, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, i'm trying to work on creating an image... the ??? is a placeholder. 04:45, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks great to me! Yoshifan52 (talk) 05:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Just a question, for template images, am I allowed to create the image myself, if I am, would I have to run the image by everyone to see if it can be a template image, or what? @GloverMist @Trig Jegman @Yoshifan52 19:58, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You can create an image if you'd like, though keep in mind vector images are strongly preferred for that kind of template. If anyone strongly thinks your image needs more work or to be replaced, they'll message you. Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:01, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you think this might be a good image? I've been struggling with an image so... heres the image 00:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm, this image is cool but doesn't look as professional as the graphics we typically use for things like this, and it isn't a vector image. I'll ask an experienced with making these types of graphics editor if they can help soon. Yoshifan52 (talk) 02:08, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Using in-game images
I'm currently trying to add to the Competitive:Burst Bomb page, and I noticed that there is not a single image in the Burst Bomb gallery that depicts the bomb without being an in-game screenshot. I didn't really know where to look for the image policy, but would it be ok to take an image of a burst bomb (either the in-game icon or the actual model) and remove the background? Sorry if this is a dumb question! Thanks :) ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 ( ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖 ) 03:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't know, if there is no promo image, use icons then. The 3D icon can be good as it matches the theme of the competitive infobox images. The 3D models would be too stretched out, and 2D icons won't help with the aesthetic. Hope this helps! KPOfficial26 (talk) 00:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Clarinet.octo: That page is about competitive and strategy information. It's not the place for images. To find images of Burst Bomb, you should see the main article: Burst Bomb Heddy (talk) 04:15, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Proposal to change leak policy
Given recent events, I'd like to propose a major change to our current Rumors and Leaks policy: Inkipedia should no longer allow documentation of upcoming datamined content on-wiki until after the content's immediate relevance has either passed, or the content is officially revealed. Documentation of previously leaked content as well as datamined content irrelevant to ongoing updates would be allowed regarding all three games; the key term here is upcoming content leaks, specifically regarding Splatoon 3.

Under our current policy, major leaks of any kind are allowed to be added on-wiki so long as they're accredited to a source that's considered reliable enough by the editing community's standards; there are several problems with this:
 * 1) In the case of event-related leaks, such as Splatfest stage leaks, it creates unnecessary busywork; editors must verify then document the information with sources ahead of the event when leaks occur, then as soon as the stage is officially revealed (either via social media or the stage becoming available in-game), the datamining-related source is no longer needed, and must be edited out. This entire process could be circumvented by waiting for the official reveal; there is not enough value in adding leaks to general mainspace pages in this fashion.
 * 2) A major copyright problem arises in cases of Inkipedia documenting major upcoming, unrevealed information; another wiki in the NIWA network (Pikipedia) has recently faced DMCAs regarding their articles documenting upcoming content that had leaked.
 * 3) While spoilers are allowed on-wiki, documenting leaks generates massive spoilers for content that players are entirely unable to access by any method other than hacking, which is not condoned by Inkipedia. Documentation of leaks effectively works against aiding the encyclopedia's users by describing to them in detail ahead of time things they may be looking forward to accessing themselves in an official capacity.

Documentation of no longer immediately relevant leaks should be done on the rumors and leaks page exclusively going forward. "Immediate relevance" refers to the subjective time period of when the upcoming content described in the leak is expected to be added in-game. For example, leaks regarding Drizzle Season 2023 are immediately relevant during Sizzle Season 2023, the months proceeding its release; after Drizzle Season 2023's exact contents are officially revealed and/or are made available (whichever comes first), then both documentation of the season's contents and the fact it had leaked may begin on-wiki.

To put these changes in effect, I'm proposing for the current Leaks section in the linked policy page to be changed to the following:

A leak is classified content that has been revealed without permission from the owner. For video games, a leak usually contains unannounced features and content. Leaking unreleased content or reverse engineering it from the game's files is against most video game publishers' licensing agreement (including Nintendo's). Inkipedia does not condone leaking content and breaches of agreements. While the content of upcoming Splatoon updates may leak online from time to time, Inkipedia is not the place to turn to for leak updates. Do not document leaked upcoming content on Inkipedia. The existence of leaks, including their contents, may be documented exclusively on the rumors and leaks page after they are rendered no longer immediately relevant; this means that if the contents of a leak are expected to be revealed or added in-game at a later date, then they should not be added to Inkipedia. After that period ends, the fact the information had ever leaked can be documented, but remember that no documentation of leaked information should be original content! All leak-related information should include reliable citations. For example, if content had previously leaked through a post on social media about an upcoming feature, that post should be linked as a citation, but only after the leak is no longer relevant to upcoming updates.

Vote by signing in the appropriate section below. The vote will end 2 weeks from now if there are no opposing votes. Otherwise, the vote will end 4 weeks from now. This voting process has been put into motion with administration's permission. Yoshifan52 (talk) 06:16, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) I support because I don't think datamined content should be on the wiki because it isn't 100% confirmed and could spoil stuff Snoozefry (talk) 07:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) What Snooze said, and that it could put the wiki's existence in jeopardy.--Arceusgjengen (talk) 08:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 3) This makes sense. I think there's not much point documenting content that's inaccessible, especially since it just has to be changed again later. I could see the use in allowing leaked upcoming content on a less active wiki, but we have enough editors keeping up with the game that I don't think it will be an issue. Sourguppyworm (talk) 08:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 4)  08:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 5)  09:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 6) ShoeAgletts (talk) 12:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 7) UltraMelon (talk) 1:20pm, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) Eli (talk) 12:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Confirming that the creation of this vote was approved by me and Trig Jegman. Heddy (talk) 07:14, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hosting any game images/assets, music, etc. already technically "put[s] the wiki's existence in jeopardy" (although in all likelihood very defendable under US Fair Use doctrines) so this argument is not a good one, or it at least certainly isn't anything new. –Eli (talk) 12:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I think hosting datamined info should still be allowed, e.g. alternate Splatfest dialogue, Big Run & Splatfest event participation numbers and player count, etc. –Eli (talk) 12:50, 11 July 2023 (UTC)