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Consensus template

With the recent difficulties of getting formal consensus to make decisions, I'd like to suggest that we make a template that can be used to mark a major discussion. Pages with the template could be linked to on Recent Changes via a category or something. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 20:09, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I think we need clear guidelines on what makes a major discussion, and what is a consensus. A lot of decisions are made off-site now on Discord simply because it's real time chat and those on the server get notifications about it. Is a major discussion one that is time-pressured? Site-wide change? Site-interface change? Affects some (but not all) users, such as mobile? As for consensus--Sigma talk 04:41, 30 July 2017 (UTC)... perhaps a time limit and if no-one bothers to vote then the motion is passed as a "not enough care one way or another".

We can certainly add more quick links to the top of Recent Changes via MediaWiki:Recentchangestext and to Inkipedia:Maintenance with the number of ongoing discussions (pages in the category). Perhaps make a quick filter list for recent discussions, though I don't think you can filter by multiple namespaces?

We could make use of the MediaWiki:Sitenotice for really important discussions.

User:Kjhf/Sig 11:30, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

I've made a consensus policy based on SmashWiki's to address your concern. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 13:22, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea. Many discussions never get anywhere because people don't have easy access to them. Making them accessible on the recent changes list would solve that. Heddy (talk) 22:24, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Bump now that INK:CONSENSUS has been passed. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 22:18, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

This is what the link would look like (I also added some other maintenance links beside it). Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 20:45, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Splatoon 2 Hero Mode Placement

The placement of the Sardinium looks absolutely ridiculous (e.x Return of the Octarians), it should be placed after the Sunken Scroll information. When compared to the original Hero Mode Information (e.x Octotrooper Hideout) it looks sloppy and disorganized. --Snowwarrior92 04:03, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I only did that because Sardinium appeared before the Sunken Scroll in the infobox. And on that note, shouldn't "scroll" be lowercase in the infobox as it was for the Octo Valley pages? Sigma talk 04:06, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I understand the confusion, but we should try to keep to the original format from Splatoon 1. On another note we should change the scroll to lowercase to keep with the original format.--Snowwarrior92 04:17, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

To be fair, Sardinium wasn't in Splatoon. Sigma talk 04:41, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from and maybe we should try to work together. It might prevent stepping on eachother's toes.--Snowwarrior92 04:45, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Remove recommendations from weapon articles

It's time to overhaul the weapon articles! But before we do that, can we get consensus to remove the recommended abilities and recommended gear sections from weapon articles? These are the reasons:

• Consistency. Many articles do not have these sections, so removing them altogether will make the wiki more consistent.
• Conflict. One editor may believe that Ninja Squid helps a Carbon Roller player due to the stealth effect. Another editor may believe that the ability is a bad choice for a Carbon Roller player because of the -10% swim speed penalty. Who is right? Well they're both right about any facts they provide, but their opinions don't really belong here. The objective facts should be stated, on the Ninja Squid article and not the Carbon Roller article:
  • Ninja Squid helps players by providing for stealthy movement.
  • Ninja Squid hurts players by slowing down their movement.
• Workload. This ties in with consistency. If one article has a section but another does not, work has to be done to give the latter article the needed content. This has proven to be too much work: the second game in the series came out, but these sections were still not present in articles for the first game's weapons. Let's reduce the workload so we can focus on more important things. Heddy (talk) 15:46, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

I'd suggest reformatting the sections to take a more fact-based angle ("major users of this weapon, such as so and so, generally utilize these abilities"), but I think the competitive meta should still be discussed somewhere on this wiki until we finally get the Competitive namespace. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 15:54, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

I believe that this is subjective and should have no place in the main article space. 15:59, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

What I want to do is make a new Competitive: namespace for all the strategy/metagame content and leave all subjective material out of Main: entirely. The biggest obstacle to that is compelling Prod to add the namespace. (-: GuyPerfect (talk) 16:01, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

What do we do in the meantime? Perhaps drafts? Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 16:02, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure the namespace should be called competitive. Some strategy content is on articles about a cooperative game type, Salmon Run. Why not "strategy"? The content we are wanting to move all fits the definition of the word strategy: "a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim." Heddy (talk) 17:53, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

The vast majority of the content being moved is team/tournament pages. 18:14, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Why would that stuff be moved too? I thought we were talking about banishing subjective content from mainspace. Teams are not subjective, and according to the inkipedia policy they belong on mainspace as long as they meet an eligibility criteria, and they should be a separate discussion anyways. "strategy" is soooo much better than "competitive" for the type of content I'm talking about moving. Heddy (talk) 18:34, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

I think there should still be a mention in the main weapon pages to abilities that benefit from weapon's weakness spot such as slow movement for Splatlings and the strong point of having Run Speed up against that weapon's weak spot of slow movement while charging and firing. User:Shachar700/Sig 16:25, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Gear Article placement

Looking at Gear articles of clothes that appear in Splatoon 1 and 2, The info for Splatoon 2 is listed first, than Splatoon 1. Is this the decided format, because honestly I'm not a fan and I believe that it should be listed chronologically. KingAwesome467 (talk) 19:38, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

They are listed chronologically, just in reverse for the convenience of readers. What benefit is there to not having it reversed? Heddy (talk) 20:11, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't know, it just looks tacky to me, and I'm used to so many other Wikis (including other NIWA Wikis listing things chronologically going down), as it's like showing the history and evolution of this item clothing throughout the games and time.I mean Wiki's are basically encyclopedia's, meant to inform and tell history, and while I don't know much about actually encyclopedias, I'm sure most don't start from the present and work backwards. Would it really kill them to scroll down for half a second or use the table of contents? I know it's just my opinion and it doesn't really matter, but it really rubs me the wrong way. KingAwesome467 (talk) 21:27, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

bump? KingAwesome467 (talk) 20:15, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

I guess it would be okay for the gear articles. I just want articles like Splatfest and List of updates in Splatoon 2 to always have the most relevant info at the top. I am interested in hearing others' opinions on this topic. Heddy (talk) 21:33, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Weapon page format

Regardless of the earlier split discussion, I feel the current layout of multi-game weapons and gear is absolutely unacceptable. It's effectively a soft page split with everything about the items (even what their iterations have in common!) segregated by game and infoboxes deep within the page. Therefore, I suggest two alternatives:

1. Rewrite the pages to use a single infobox for both games and combine redundant information.
2. While this was very divisive earlier, I think splitting by game basically has the same result as the current system, but is easier to navigate.

Anyone object to either of these? Have a better suggestion? Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 19:02, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

I agree that I'm not a fan of this new format adds alot of unnecessary length to the articles with 2 very similiar infoboxes, and I prefer the previous infobox format. I'm also personally strongly against putting things in reverse chronological order. KingAwesome467 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

The first thing you see in the infobox is the image of the weapon/gear, which looks slightly different in each game. Unless you are proposing having both images in the infobox, which would bloat it considerably, combining the infoboxes doesn't seem like a good idea. There is usually enough info that is different anyways. Heddy (talk) 02:41, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Flag for NoA Spanish

A little suggestion, I would like to ask for the flag being used when referring to the NoA Spanish localizations to be changed from the Mexican flag to the CELAC flag. The localization is aimed towards Spanish speakers throughout the Americas (not just for Mexico), and the Zelda Wiki and Bulbapedia already use it. Hadamsj (talk) 00:56, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Octo Canyon Mission Galleries

I need a quick solution. In Splatoon 1 I gathered a bunch of images for hero mode and each page had a different number of images in their respective galleries. For Splatoon 2 I want each page to be more streamlined and even with each other. I know that the checkpoints and collectibles each get one or two images per section, but how many images should the gallery portion have? --Snowwarrior92 07:10, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

3 images per gallery should give a good foundation for others to build on. However there should not be a limit. If one mission has more to show off than another, it should have more images. Heddy (talk) 23:26, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Stage Quotes

I have a handwritten list of stage quotes from Splatoon 2 and I was wondering how I should go about implementing them. I am not to familiar with adding new quotes.--Snowwarrior92 09:11, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

If by stage you mean the multiplayer stages then you would not have to do anything original. Just follow the existing example set on each stage article. Like this:

 {{StageQuotes
 |C=Pearl
 |M=Marina
 |C1A=Line of dialogue from Pearl
 |M1A=Line of dialogue from Marina
 |R1A=NOE, NOA (regions go here)
 |C2A=
 |M2A=
 |R2A=
 }}

Consider joining our Discord server for real-time help with this. Heddy (talk) 02:43, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again for the help. Once I get in from work I'll type up as much of the quotes as I can.--Snowwarrior92 02:58, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Updating the Older Hero Mode Sections

With the recent updates with the older Hero Mode articles, I was wondering if we should keep the pictures of the quotes or should we delete them? Splatoon 2's Hero Mode articles don't have photos of the quotes and I think that it looks a million times better. Any suggestions would be much appreciated--Snowwarrior92 06:27, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

The images are great because they show context of each quote. As a bonus, they make it super easy to verify that the person who wrote the quote on Inkipedia spelled and colored text correctly. Feel free to not add them to new articles, but removing any valid contributions from existing articles isn't a good idea. Heddy (talk) 22:34, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Updating the Amiibo articles

So the Amiibo pages could still use some work. Not all the information is there, and some of it is on side pages and not the main Amiibo page. Roboat06 (talk) 02:09, 24 February 2018

User:Hinamin seems to have been doing some great work on that. See Special:Contributions/Hinamin for the changes in the personal userspace -Inkrid (talk) 08:37, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

What Can I Do to Help?

Hey my fellow squids. Is there any major projects that need dire help that I can sink my fangs into?--WhistlingSquid (talk) 01:58, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Go here: Inkipedia:Maintenance. You're welcooommme!

~Modder (talk) 19:26, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Weird Formating

There are several pages that don't follow the same formatting as the rest of the site. Should I go ahead and fix them or should I get permission?--WhistlingSquid (talk) 02:46, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Idea for new feature: Task Suggestions Suggestion Categorizing

I joined this wiki about two weeks ago, because I wanted to be part of the community. I have made some small contributions so far, and I enjoy it. Problem is, through, that I am not able to easily find tasks that I can help with. I am thinking that maybe we could use a feature where we can add 'subjects' to templates like the 'ToDo' and the 'Images' tags, so that editors might be able to search for them and find stuff to do that way. Or even better, they might be able to specify what 'subjects' they are capable of helping with somewhere, and then a special page will be generated that the editor can access every time they are looking for ways to contribute. It is just a suggestion, but if possible, I would be glad to help make this a thing. -tecanec (talk) 15:50, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

New Idea for Mission Mode Quotes

How does this look? Compare https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/User:WhistlingSquid/hero_mode_format to the original format https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Return_of_the_Octarians--WhistlingSquid (talk) 01:47, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

I like that new format because it saves space. It also looks like it would be easy to change later if someone needed to, so don't worry about using it. Heddy (talk) 01:58, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Heddy. I'll get right on working on the quotes throughout the next couple of days.--WhistlingSquid (talk) 02:03, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Retooling Mission Modes

I worked most of the night and wanted to know if the quote table and maybe one of the gallery sizes could be used in the mission mode segments?

https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/User:WhistlingSquid/hero_mode_format--WhistlingSquid (talk) 08:37, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Player-made minigames

I remember seeing, a while back, an article with several player made gamemodes for private battle. I cannot recall the name of the article, and believe it should be made more accessible. Agent 7 (talk) 19:28, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

See fan modes. Heddy (talk) 23:13, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

How do I add another mode in the same format? Agent 7 (talk) 14:12, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

That article had a really bad format. It should just be text, not images. Images are only easily editable by the creator of the image, so they should not be used at all to format that article's content. I restored sane formatting to the article to make it easy to edit. Heddy (talk) 18:12, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Splatoon AUs and Stories

Many people have stories about Splatoon, right? My idea is to create a new wiki for Fandom content (Like the Pikmin Fanon wiki on NIWA). Any alternate versions or stories about Splatoon can be added here for people to find. It's made in a similar fashion to the UnderTale AU Wiki (See Here:[1]).

Modderkin64 (talk) 21:25, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

This wiki isn't willing to host such content and we aren't currently interested in setting one up, however you're able to make your own Wikia for it. 21:56, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm asking someone else to make it, because my computer is old and I can't download MediaWiki until I get a new one. ~Modder (talk) 22:45, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

You wouldn't have to download anything, just use a free wiki service such as FANDOM. Heddy (talk) 00:13, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I made one right here: [2]. Is it possible for it to be linked to Inkipedia so people can find it easier? Or have someone make an announcement about it?

~Modder (talk) 17:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Like we said before, we won't probably partner with a wiki of that nature but you are most welcome to use us as source ;) and you can always link to your site on your talk page. --Raltseye prata med mej 19:49, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Addressing the Octolings with the Inklings

How should we address the players' character in the wiki? Putting down "Inklings and Octolings" every single time seems a bit awkward in terms of flow, so is there an term that can be used to address the players' character regardless of species? Kenderman123 (talk) 16:31, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Maybe mollusks since both squids and octopuses both are mollusks? Pinkyoshifan (talk) 17:22, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Just saying "player" would be sufficient in most cases. If not, maybe try "player character", "character", or "cephalopod". Heddy (talk) 23:42, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Section for in-game songs?

How about we create a section for in-game songs? This could include the Japanese lyrics, Romaji transliteration, and unofficial English interpretations. Music is a big part of Splatoon 2, so I think it could be helpful to visitors. I already have some unofficial english lyrics for two songs, mine and someone else's that I edited. Splattersky (talk) 01:39, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm all for it, except for the unofficial lyrics part. Inkipedia tends to be a collection of facts and some conjecture.. all based on official sources. Adding unofficial material may not be conducive to Inkipedia's goals. Then again, I'm not a mod *heh* -DJParticle (talk) 04:58, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Great! So does that mean I can create it, or do I have to get permission from a mod? (I'm new sorry hehe) Splattersky (talk) 09:22, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Are the Japanese lyrics official? Do the Japanese lyrics have meaning, or are they just gibberish? By "unofficial english lyrics" do you mean that it would simply be a fan translation of official lyrics? Heddy (talk) 21:22, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

It's just gibberish, but it is official (printed in the liner notes of the soundtrack albums). As for "unofficial English lyrics", that's usually just fans making their own English lyrics for the songs. The only canonical English lyric translation is the first couple lines of "Bomb Rush Blush", which show up as a Callie word balloon in the opening moments of the Splatoon 2 boss fight. -DJParticle (talk) 22:07, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

So, I have the Japanese lyrics and Romaji transliteration (if that's okay?) for a few songs, so can I go ahead and make it? Splattersky (talk) 00:04, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Sure, here is the article to add the lyrics to: Splatune 2 (Splatoon 2 Original Soundtrack). Looks like there are already some lyrics there. Heddy (talk) 00:49, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Actually, I made a disambiguation page that has a list of songs that have had their official lyrics released: Lyrics. All the songs already have the lyrics and transliterations on there in some form or another, although I'd imagine having them all on one page wouldn't be a bad idea either. Hadamsj (talk) 01:10, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh, the songs I did have the lyrics for already have lyrics, so never mind. I might think about making a page that has all the lyrics that are currently available, would that be a good idea? Splattersky (talk) 03:26, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Youtubers?

Do you think we could make a section about “splatubers”? Do you think this could be useful or not? LightningEYT (talk) 04:39, 4 August 2018 (UTC)Lightning Emerald

I think that could be very useful, but I don't know if the mods would like it; it's not necessarily "facts", although I'm all for it- Splattersky (talk) 09:03, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

I could see it being added as a category to add user pages to. -DJParticle (talk) 09:11, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Policy for non-Splatoon content with Splatoon characters? Suggestion

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is comming out soon, and it includes Inklings, so like many other non-smash NIWA-wikis, we already have an article covering it. However, I think we could use a policy to keep it focused on Splatoon content.

My thoughts are that we should allow articles covering non-Splatoon stuff, as long as the Inklings or other Splatoon-derived stuff play a major role to the subject, and that the article focuses primarely on these inclusions. We may also want to include a template specifying this on the top of our article, simmalar to the Future template. Subjects not following these criteria are still covered in References to Splatoon in other media.

--tecanec (talk) 09:26, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

• I made a template to demonstrate. --tecanec (talk) 12:50, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Having a policy would be nice just in case we need to show someone a clear explanation of what is in scope and out of scope for Inkipedia. However, a page notice template is unecessary. Page notices should ideally only be used for temporary purposes, because they make it look like there is something wrong with the article. Heddy (talk) 20:43, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

That makes sense. Do you think it makes more sense to change the way the template looks or remove it completely? --tecanec (talk) 06:57, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Remove template. Policy should be explained on policy pages, not in a permanent notice template on every applicable page. Heddy (talk) 13:46, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

What should we call the Inkling language?

What exactly should we call the Inkling language? I saw a page on here (I think it was about Agent 3's cape in the Expansion) and it said Inklish, which is a fairly accepted name (I used to say it myself) but with the Fork vs Spoon splatfest, if Marina had won her dialogue read "Besides, Inkling is my second language" so that pretty much confirms it's simply called "Inkling" which is what the page dedicated to the language on here calls it, so I changed it to say Inkling. However, someone edited that to make it say "The Inkling language" or something similar, so I'm wondering what we should refer to it as? As in, should we always specify it to be the language? Or if the context already confirms it's the language, should we just say Inkling? Splattersky (talk) 07:34, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

"Inkling" should be used for the language as well. The English language almost always uses demonyms for languages. "I'm Russian, it is written in Russian" or "I'm Swedish, I speak Swedish" etc. You can infer if you're talking about a group of people or a language from what context it is in. Writing "it is written in the Inkling language" thus becomes redundant, "it is written in Inkling" is enough. However, sometimes you may need to specify it as "the Inkling language", just like how I did in the sentence above about the English language. If I hadn't, the sentence would have taken another meaning (i.e English as people rather than the language). So yes, context is key here. – 10:46, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

OK, gotcha! That's what I initially thought lol Splattersky (talk) 10:59, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Future template is changed?

Hey, I'm curious, how come the "future" template got changed? I liked it the way it was, it seemed less like there was something wrong with the page and more of just a reminder. The question mark and the fact that the "Fuuuuture!" title was removed makes it look, again, like there's something wrong with the article. Could the administrator who did this please explain why? Thanks, Splattersky (talk) 01:13, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I changed the future tag to make it smaller and less intrusive, like the stub and conjecture tags. Nothing could be more fitting for the uncertain future than a question mark. Heddy (talk) 03:09, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Well... okay, I don't agree, but I see your point. But the question mark is already in use by a few other tags, why make them all so similar? Splattersky (talk) 03:50, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

There's only one other tag that uses it, which is the conjecture tag. Regardless, I restored the spongebob references to the future template because I don't have a strong opinion on this topic. Heddy (talk) 03:46, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Oh, pfft, I didn't even know it was a spongebob reference lol. But okay, cool! Thanks! I think it looks better :D Splattersky (talk) 03:52, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Updated Octarians page

I feel like the current Octarians page is a little weak with information regarding the Octarians' in-world history, origins and society. While the page has some updated information from Splatoon 2 and the Octo Expansion, The Inkling page has everything from sections on their appearance, their culture, holidays, etc, while the Octarian page just feels like it just has lists which redirect to different pages on each individual Octarian. At this point though, so much material has come out that I think we can confidently say a lot more about the Octarians than we could just a couple years ago.

My proposition is that a couple of us could at least try adding three new sections to the Octarians entry. Something that maybe looks more like:

*Appearance
 **Growth Cycle
*History
 **Origins
 **The Great Turf War
 **Splatoon 1
 **Splatoon 2
 **Post-Octo Expansion
*Society
 **Government
 **Culture
 **Relationship with the Inklings
 **Relationship with other species
*"Reformed" Octarians
  **Relationship with other Octarians
  **Relationship with DJ Octavio
 **"Sanitized" Octarians

It would require quite a bit of writing, but I'm willing to write as much as I can myself, as long as I have a couple people to help out. Octo-maker71 (talk) 00:29, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey, this sounds like a great idea! I'm all in. I'd love to help out on this! It should be added to the current projects page and have a talk page :p Splattersky (talk) 01:39, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Done! :) Octo-maker71 (talk) 02:34, 3 October 2018 (UTC)