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== Editing note for "Lyrics" section ==

"Three Wishes" is perhaps the first Splatoon song to contain fully translated lyrics in addition to "squid" languages. However, I would advise editors not to supply more information than what's provided in the official video. In case people didn't observe from the translated lyrics of "Three Wishes":
# They are not fully dubbable. This is especially true for Japanese lyrics. While the official English lyrics are written to be dubbable, this is an exception rather than a rule.
# Certain background lines of the lyrics have no Japanese or English translation.
# Even if you try to dub the song in English, you would have to remove the background lines or else mixing them with the English lyrics would just sound weird.  
One specific point is: Do not associate the translated lyrics with singers. This association is not in the official video and it's better not to give readers an impression that the lyrics can be dubbed (syllable by syllable). [[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 09:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

:I have trouble seeing the connection of your undo of the table. It is clearly separating the fictional language from the official English (and other languages) version and is meant to be a more easily visible format compared to the centered text we currently have. The icons for each idol replaced the initials (like "C" for Callie) and the content is a reflection of what is provided from the official video. So unless I am missing something I don't understand your comment. {{User:Perfectionist/Sig}} 10:18, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, but I was just about to mention the issues with ArgentuTA164's table format. It's not I don't like the table presenting the lyrics side by side, but the issues are these:
# As mentioned in the previous comment, the English translation should not be associated with singer icons.
# I'm a bit reserved on using singer icons in place of initials, mostly for accessability reasons. If we want to present singer icons, make them templates first. So that any issue with alt text or icon size or whatever can be fixed by tuning the template rather than the pages on the main namespace. --[[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 10:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

:2. There is talk about adding the icons to a separate column instead.
:1. With what was mentioned in the section above, this issue would be resolved by that. {{User:Perfectionist/Sig}} 10:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

:: Just to point some more on the icon issue: Now we have these so many inline image syntaxes throughout the lyrics section 
:: <pre>[[File:RotM Icon Agent 1.png|30px]][[File:RotM Icon Agent 2.png|30px]][[File:SO Icon Pearl.png|30px]][[File:SO Icon Marina.png|30px]][[File:RotM Icon Shiver.png|30px]][[File:RotM Icon Frye.png|30px]][[File:RotM Icon Big Man.png|30px]]</pre>
:: This would be harder to maintain or edit than the [[:Template:Colored lyrics]] approach . Since the icons would gonna be used in multiple Lyrics section in multiple pages, I think it's really better to have these become templates first before putting them on the main namespace. Also, I expect these icons have alt text supplied and are not clickable hyperlinks. [[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 10:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
::Putting the icons in a separate column will make the text easier to read, but I'm not sure how it would show lyrics where there are different singers for different parts in the same row. Could we maybe use numbers?
::We could use [[:Template:Icon]] for the images, which has alt text. <code><nowiki>{{Icon|RotM|Agent 2|size=30px}}</nowiki></code> will make an icon like this: {{Icon|RotM|Agent 2|size=30px}}.  {{User:GX 64/Sig}} 11:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

::: 1. When singers sing the lyrics only by lines, then putting the icons on the left column of the table might work, but this isn't often the case. When singer sing words within the lines, then we have to use icons inline. Songs like ''[[Liquid Sunshine]]'' and ''[[Three Wishes]]'' are all the latter case.
::: 2. I would like any new template for marking the singer lines be as easy to use (in syntaxes) as [[:Template:Colored lyrics]], because AFAIK, Template:Colored lyrics were designed for this purpose already and it is better to not have any other way to mark the singer lines.
::: Perhaps everyone would be happy if we extend Template:Colored lyrics to support icons. But I am against the idea of ditching that template altogether.
::: 3. Just to save everyone's time, here is my proposed approach of the lyrics table. If no one objects, I can merge this to the article page ([[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 12:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)).
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed sitecolor-s3"
|+
'''''Three Wishes'' Lyrics (kana and official Japanese translation)
|-
! Kana
! Japanese translation (意訳)
! (Unofficial) English meaning
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ふぁに まてぃり|C|P|S|c1=Callie|c2=Pearl|c3=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| 果てしない
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ふぃな しゅうぃら うぃの なふぇ|Me|Ma|F|c1=Marie|c2=Marina|c3=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| 時間の交差の中で
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|うぇど みしゃだり てゅわり みゅへり|All}}
| ぼくらは炎をつないでく
|
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|にゅえの ゆうぇに みふぁなへ|C|c1=Callie|ingame=1}}
| ずっと キミと歩いてた
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|にょえに きゅうぇの しゅめらへ|Me|c1=Marie|ingame=1}}
| いくつもの 奇跡を見てきた
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|みゃれ にゅへら へに のうぇに|C|c1=Callie|ingame=1}}
| はじめは 何もなくて
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ゲニミュシ エニモ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|にゅり みゃれ じゅれにゃ へり のふぇり|Me|c1=Marie|ingame=1}}
| アタシたちの後に 道ができて
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ビエンディンニ マハティ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|にゅりね まれ みて も みゅりね われ にゅる|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| 誰かの道しるべに アタシたちが なるなんて あの頃 想像できた？
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ワンディ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}）（{{Colored lyrics|ジャスィカズィ ユニュディ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ゆわにゅうぇり わりぬしぇ てゅれりの|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| この星にまかれた 小さな小さな種
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ワディウェンニ オ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ゆうぇに|C|c1=Callie|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|ゆうぇに|Me|c1=Marie|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|にゅらふぇらひ|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| 星の光 キラキラリ
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|てゅるり みゅらふぃ なねはんに うぇのうぇに|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| 幾億年前からの メッセージ
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|カン ビコ ゼッティン ダンソ|P|Ma|S|F|B|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}}）<br />
（{{Colored lyrics|ビュロウェ スィンダ レイ|P|Ma|S|F|B|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|しゅうぇに|C|c1=Callie|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|しゅうぇに|Me|c1=Marie|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|しゅらへらに|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| 言葉 歴史 キラキラリ
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|てゅるり みゅらい なねはんに うぇのうぇに|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| 想いを伝えるため 受け継がれた唄
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ワンビコラ フェスティン ブラゾ|P|Ma|S|F|B|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}}）<br />
（{{Colored lyrics|バニン ヤソ|P|Ma|S|F|B|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ファニ マティリ フィナ シュウィラ ビノマフェ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| 果てしない 時間の交差の中で
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ウェド ミシャダリ テュワリ ミュヘル|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| ぼくらは炎をつないでく
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ファニ マティリ フィア シュウィラ ウィノナフェ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| すれちがう 無限の命のプリズム
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ウェド ミシャガリ テュワリ ミュヘニ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| きみの輝きを 見つけ出す
|
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|へい！ わっちゃっぱ ふぉりな げあ さっぱ ろりだん|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| Hey! ステージをよこしな ロマンチスト 思い出話はカフェでどうぞ
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|せい せい ぱりだぃ にあ らたたた せいべろぅ|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| そうさアタシは リアリスト 今を生きる つかみ取る
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|どぅ すたぽ びろうぇい ごなわたたと しぇい しぇい|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| 手に入れた 世界の頂点 言わせてもらえば ただの通過点
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|うぃざいちゅ めん？ ふー！ つわっさぃ だうぃ ばにらぅ|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| 叩きつけるぜ Answer ぶち込む 言葉のBanger
|
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ウェズ ノミ ガラノダイ|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| ここに来るまで 長い道のり
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ウィヴィロキ フィリドゥ ネスティ|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| でも辿り着いた 大きな星の光
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ぱぱらぱらぱ|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ハズ ノウェイ ガラドゥダイ|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| ワタシの心 まるでサテライト
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|イズィラバ モラドゥダイ|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| アナタの重力で グルグル回る
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|パパラパラパ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|てぃか びぞん りば とぅりおん しゃか らたたちゅら じぞ うぃん|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| 人生クソだの 運がねぇだの それで守れたか？ 自尊心
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|らんらん に みゅはり にょへり|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ダラタタ ダラタタ|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}）（{{Colored lyrics|ランランダ ラディ バッタリダ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|すたぴの でぃじ りじ りぜ とぅな うぃっか らぴのか ちゃれ きぽん すてぃん|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| ビビって そつなく つつがなく それで満足？ ビビッドに塗りたくれよ オマエの魂のビートで
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|リラ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}）（{{Colored lyrics|ららら うぇにや りゅえに|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ダラタタタ|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}）（{{Colored lyrics|Ha~|S|F|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ムケカ トゥリニダド フィヤベ？|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| やりたいこと山積み いつやります？
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|そ ばふぃん！|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}} 
| 今だろ！！
|
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ハドゥマナ キャソ バッタン グレロ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| 重なり合う バイナリースター
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|チャソ ウィコナリ トゥレロ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| 何があっても きっと平気さ
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ぱらどにゃ わちゃりの みゅてり|C|Me|S|F|B|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}}）<br />
（{{Colored lyrics|うぃどり ふぃざぅ ちゅ|C|Me|S|F|B|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ハドゥマナ キャソ バッタン グレロ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| 重なり合う バイナリースター
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|チャソ ウィコナリ ファンデリ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| きみとなら ずっと無敵さ
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ぱらどにゃ わちゃりの みゅてり|C|Me|S|F|B|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}}）<br />
（{{Colored lyrics|しがう ちゅる|C|Me|S|F|B|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ファニ マティンリ フィナ シュウィラ ビンノマフェ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| 果てしない 時間の交差の中で
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ウェド ミチャンダリ テュワンディ ミュチェンニ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| ぼくらは炎をつないでく
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ファニ マティンリ ウィナ シュウィラ ビンノ ナフェ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| ほとばしる 無限の命の鼓動
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ウェド ミチャンデニ リュワンナ ミュチェンディ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| 響き合って 強く輝く
|
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|タラディン タラディン タラディン チェレダリ|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| 目の前に広がる フロンティア
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ダリ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}）（{{Colored lyrics|だり|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ミカチェン ミカチェン ミカチェン ダラピンド|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| とめどなく湧き出る アイディア
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ぴんど|C|Me|S|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|c3=Shiver|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ハラデュケ ビタリ ニャユデ ピシャンド|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| 胸の高鳴り 羅針盤にして
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|にゃゆでぴっしゃんど|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|マテリンデン パタヌ ペンダ リュディタイ|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| 迷宮 魔窟へ いざカチコミじゃ！
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|は は は は|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|よ なてぃゆに わたいな|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| 立ちはだかる魑魅魍魎
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ナティユニ ワタイナ|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}）（{{Colored lyrics|ワタイナ|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|えと ゆらに しゃみちゃちゃ|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| 見事さばいてみせましょか
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|しゃみちゃ しゃみちゃ|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}）（{{Colored lyrics|チャビノ ウェンディナゥ|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|しだりて かんだりや|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| 逆境 苦境は 朝めし前
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|シダリテ カンダリヤ|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}）（{{Colored lyrics|シダリテ カンダリヤ|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|わたあて ちむよいよ|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| 最強連合のお出ましや！
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|チムヨ ホイヨ|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}）
| <!-- no translation --> ||
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ウェンダンディ ノ ケレスパリ|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| 強さのヒミツを知りたいか？
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|かまり ちけても そだんな|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| 決して折れない 砕けない絆
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|マピェンニ パティ マチャパテニ|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| 3×3×3で 333万倍じゃ！
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|はいな うちゆさ|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| 未来ひらく 黄金のカギ
|
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ラチャスパリ ウェンディンニ シュト|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| 遠く遠く 旅の果てに
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ラチャスパリ ワティンナ ユチェンノ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| いったい何が待っているのだろう
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|にゃそ みゅろ|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| 夢の桃源郷？
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ジャソ クロ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| 黄金の都？
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|にゅえんめに|C|Me|P|Ma|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|c3=Pearl|c4=Marina|ingame=1}}
| みな求める
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ソン ウェティケ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| それでも
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ラチャスパリ ウェンディンニ シュト|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| 遠く遠く 旅の果てに
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ラチャスパリ ヤティマ シェ ビンドロ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| 終わりの時を 見るのだとしても
|
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|にゅらめしゅ うぇに な りゅて ゆえに|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| キミと辿った道は 永遠に輝きつづける
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|ウェ プライ デチュ フライ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|あで|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|リンガディンガ|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| 今オマエが隣にいることが
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|すぃど わい びお だぜい|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}} （{{Colored lyrics|スィ barara dadada オブラ ダゼイ|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| 最高以外の何だってんだ？
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|ららららら|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}） {{Colored lyrics|ビンディ ヤンディパラ ビェン リファ|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| 希望を胸に宿していれば
|
|-
| （{{Colored lyrics|らららら|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}） {{Colored lyrics|ハン ダカラシャタ ナンピダ|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| いつかみんなで見つけ出せる
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|みゅらに|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|クラィ ナベ|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|アンパラディ ウィナン ディ|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| 巨大な時の流れの中で
|
|-
| colspan="3" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|りゃに にゅらに|C|c1=Callie|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|めら にゅうぃら みりょまれ|Me|c1=Marie|ingame=1}}
| 果てしない 時間の交差の中で
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|うぇの からまり てゅわり みゅへる|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| ぼくらは炎をつないでく
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|りゃに にゅらに めら にゅうぃら みりょまれ|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| 交じり合う 無限の命の流れ
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|うぇど からまり てゅわり みゅへり|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| 太古から続く 運命の螺旋
|
|} 
 {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed sitecolor-s3"
|+
'''''Three Wishes'' Lyrics (official romanization and English translation)
|-
! Romanization
! English translation
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Fani matiri|C|P|S|c1=Callie|c2=Pearl|c3=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| Here we stand in time—
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Finashu weraa weno na fe|Me|Ma|F|c1=Marie|c2=Marina|c3=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| endless past, present, and future span.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Wehdo mishadari teuwari myuheri|All}}
| Our wishes are the flame that lights up history.
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Nyueno yueni mifanahe|C|c1=Callie|ingame=1}}
| We've come far, you and I, on our journey.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Nyoeni kyueno shumerahe|Me|c1=Marie|ingame=1}}
| Sights and sounds, highs and lows, all that we've seen.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Myari nyuera henino wehni|C|c1=Callie|ingame=1}}
| Nothing at the start, in the void of night.
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Genimyusi enimo|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Nyuri myare jurenya heli no ferri|Me|c1=Marie|ingame=1}}
| But then out there, in the dark, a path came to light.
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Bhee endinni mahati|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Nirine mare mitemo, myurine warenyuur<!-- (sic) -->|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| Did you think back then we'd be here? Guiding others in our shoes?
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Wandi|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}) ({{Colored lyrics|Jassi kaazi yunuday|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Yuwanyueri warinushe turelino|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| Tiny, tiny seeds, left on the trail, someday to bloom.
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Waday wheni oh|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Yueni|C|c1=Callie|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|Yueni|Me|c1=Marie|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|Nyura ferrahi|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| Star at night, glowing bright, bringing us your light—
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Chururi myurafi nanehani, wehno wehnii|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| A message to us from far in the past, saying, "Shine on!"
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Kan biko zettin danso|P|Ma|S|F|B|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}})<br />
({{Colored lyrics|Byuroway sinderlay|P|Ma|S|F|B|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Shueni|C|c1=Callie|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|Shueni|Me|c1=Marie|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|Shuraherani|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| Words you write, line by line, showing us your sights—
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Teruri myuurai nanehani, wehno wehnii|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| Passed down to us so we sing them today, we feel you still.
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Wan bikora feystin brazo|P|Ma|S|F|B|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}})<br />
({{Colored lyrics|Banin yaso|P|Ma|S|F|B|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Fani matiri, finashu weraa bino ma fe|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| Here we stand in time—endless past, present, and future span.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Wehdo mishadari teuwari myuheru|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| Our wishes are the flame that lights up history.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Fani matiri, finashu weraa weno na fe|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| In the infinite sea of people passing in the dark,
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Wehdo mishadari teuwari myuheri|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| My brightly burning radiance drew you to me.
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Hei! Wachappa forina Geh sappa rollidon|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| Hey! I'm seeing things so clear— The past is in the rear.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Sei sei paari dai Nia ratatata seybero|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| I'm a realist, I live in the now and seize it.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Don stapo billoway Gonawa tatatoh, shayk shayk|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| I swim just like a shark— Move forward, never brake or park.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Wizaichu mehn? Foo! Twassai dawi banilau|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| Think you can hang? Whew! Let's see what you can do!
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Wezu nomee garanodai|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| I've been searching, all of my life,
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Weviroki firidonesti|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| Finally I've found my north star.
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Papara para pa|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Hazzu nowei garadodai|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| My heart's synched up, a satellite,
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Iziraba moradudai|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| Orbiting wherever you are.
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Papara para pa|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Tikka veezon, ribba treeon Shaka ratata chura jizo whin|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| So your life sucks? Down on your luck? Gotta free yourself, get your mind unstuck.
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Ranlan ni myuari nyoheri|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}})<br />
|
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Dalatata, dalatata|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}) ({{Colored lyrics|Ranlan da radi battari battarida|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Stapino deejee reejee reezay Tunna wikka, rapinoka chare Kipon steen|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| Let fear push you on through, can do— Use some colors in your palette but blue, Paint it new!
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Rira|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}) ({{Colored lyrics|La la la wehnyaryueni|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}})
|
|-
|({{Colored lyrics|Dalatatatta|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}) ({{Colored lyrics|Ah~|S|F|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Mukekka trineeda dofiyabe?|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| When is the moment you should chase your dreams?
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Soh bafiin!|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}}
| It's right now!
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Haddomahna kyaso battan goorero|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| Overlapping cycles, binary stardom
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|chasso wikkonari turero|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| Nothing can knock us out of our groove
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Paradonya wacchari no myuriteri<!-- (sic) -->|C|Me|S|F|B|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}})<br />
({{Colored lyrics|Widori fizau chu|C|Me|S|F|B|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}})
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Haddomahna kyaso battan goorero|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| Overlapping cycles, binary stardom
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|chasso wikkonari fanderi|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| With you, nothing can stand in my way
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Paradonya wacchari no myuriteri<!-- (sic) -->|C|Me|S|F|B|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}})<br />
({{Colored lyrics|Sheegow churu|C|Me|S|F|B|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}})
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Fani matiri, finashu weraa bino ma fe|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| Here we stand in time—endless past, present, and future span.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Wehdo michanadari<!-- (sic) --> teuwandi myuchenni|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| Our wishes are the flame that lights up history.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Fani matiri, finashu weraa bino na fe|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| Surging down the line—glowing promise we hold in our hands.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Wehdo michandeni ruwanna myuchendi|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| Reflecting off themselves to build a guiding gleam.
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Taradin taradin taradin cheredari|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| Here we go, with the flow, no one knows the future.
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Darii|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}) ({{Colored lyrics|Dari|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}})<br />
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Mikachen mikachen mikachen darapindo|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| On we run, so much fun, where no one has yet been.
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Bindo|C|Me|S|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|c3=Shiver|ingame=1}})<br />
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Haradukke bitaari nyuyude<!-- (sic) --> pishando|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| Our excitement shows the way, leading us on and on,
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Nyuyude<!-- (sic) --> pishando|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}})<br />
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Materinden pataanu pen daru dittai|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| Till we reach the lair where evil lies in wait!
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Yonateii yuni wattaina|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| The monsters that we face ahead?
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Nateii yuni wattaina|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}) ({{Colored lyrics|Wattaina|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}})<br />
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Eto yurani shami chaa chaa|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| Wake me up when we meet a true threat.
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Shamichaa shamichaa|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}) ({{Colored lyrics|Chabbino windii nau|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}})<br />
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Shidarite kandariya|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| Chains can't hold me, we are too tough—
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Shidarite kandariya|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}) ({{Colored lyrics|Shidarite kandariya|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Wata ahte chimuyoiyo|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| We'll defeat them with a single cut!
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|Chimuyoo hoiyo|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}})
|
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Wendandi no keresuppari|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| Do you know just how we got so strong?
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Kamari chikketemo sodanna|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| It's all thanks to the power of our bond.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Mahpyenni patti maccha pateni|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| A triple threat like us is 30 times as fierce.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Haina uchiyusa|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}}
| So let's have three cheers!
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Rachasu pari wendiin neeshuto|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| What in the world could be at the journey's end?
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Rachasu pari watinna yuchuno<!-- (sic) -->|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| What will we find in the land beyond the sands?
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Nyaso myuro|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| A paradise?
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Jasso kulu<!-- (sic) -->|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}}
| A golden realm?
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Nyuen meni|C|Me|P|Ma|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|c3=Pearl|c4=Marina|ingame=1}}
| We yearn to know.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Sohn wehtike|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| But even so,
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Rachasu pari wendiin neeshuto|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| When we find out what lies at our journey's end,
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Rachasu pari yatima shehbindoro|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| When I get there together with my dearest friends…
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Nyurashemu<!-- (sic) --> wehni naa ryute yehni<!-- (sic) -->|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| The path we walked will blaze forever.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Weh prai decchu frai|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|Adeh|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|Ringadeenga|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}}
| Having you by my side
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Seeh dwaai beeoh dazeh|P|c1=Pearl|ingame=1}} ({{Colored lyrics|Seeh baraara dadada ohbra dazeh|Ma|c1=Marina|ingame=1}})
| makes today perfect.
|-
| ({{Colored lyrics|La laalaalaa laa laa laalaalaa|S|c1=Shiver|ingame=1}})<br />
{{Colored lyrics|Beendi yandipara byenrifa|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| Long as we can keep our hope alive,
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Haahn dakarashatta nanbida<!-- (sic) -->|F|c1=Frye RotM|ingame=1}}
| We'll unite to find our dream someday.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Myurani|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|krahni nabei|P|Ma|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|anbradi<!-- (sic) --> winnan di|S|F|B|c1=Shiver|c2=Frye RotM|c3=Big Man|ingame=1}}
| In the vast, eternal sea, known as the flow of time.
|-
| colspan="2" |
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Rani nyurani|C|c1=Callie|ingame=1}} {{Colored lyrics|Meranyu wira miryomare|Me|c1=Marie|ingame=1}}
| Here we stand in time—endless past, present, and future span.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Weeno karamari chuwari myuheru|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| Our wishes are the flame that lights up history.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Rani nyurani meranyu wira miryomare|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| All life here is one—intermingled in the hourglass.
|-
| {{Colored lyrics|Wehdo karamari chuwari myuheri|C|Me|c1=Callie|c2=Marie|ingame=1}}
| No start, no end, it lasts for all eternity.
|}
--[[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 19:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

:The template is only used for initials and it does not look like the plan for colored text itself (original reason for this template) will be greenlit due to accessability. However, the overall structure of the table above is roughly reflecting a draft I will make when I hsve time. {{User:Perfectionist/Sig}} 13:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
:This does have a prevalent accessibility issue as Marie and Marina's initials do not look visually distinct enough at ALL, and I got confused multiple times when reading this despite knowing who sings what lines. [[User:ArgentuTA164|ArgentuTA164]] ([[User talk:ArgentuTA164|talk]]) 13:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
:You should see the Testing Table on [[User:ArgentuTA164/Lyric Table Sandbox#''Three Wishes'' by the Now or Never Seven]] for the current plan for the lyric table. [[User:ArgentuTA164|ArgentuTA164]] ([[User talk:ArgentuTA164|talk]]) 15:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

:: Hi ArgentuTA164. Firstly I apologize for reverting your change without a notice. I just don't believe your lyrics format is better than the current version, plus the issues I've written in the discussion above. Second, I've noticed your [[User:ArgentuTA164/Lyric Table Sandbox|sandbox draft]], but unfortunately that didn't address the issues I have at the moment.
:: (1.) Maintainability. Ideally I wish each line (or words) of the lyrics be presented in code as simple as a template call:
<pre><nowiki>{{Colored lyrics|
Kan biko zettin danso
|P|Ma|S|F|B
|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man|ingame=1}}</nowiki></pre>
:: Maybe with icons (hypothetical example):
<pre><nowiki>{{LyricWithIcon|
Kan biko zettin danso
|P|Ma|S|F|B
|c1=Pearl|c2=Marina|c3=Shiver|c4=Frye RotM|c5=Big Man
|icon1=SO Icon Pearl|icon2=SO Icon Marina
|icon3=RotM Icon Shiver|icon4=RotM Icon Frye|icon5=RotM Icon Big Man}}</nowiki></pre>
:: But not putting everything inline:
<pre><nowiki>
[[File:SO Icon Pearl.png|30px]][[File:SO Icon Marina.png|30px]][[File:RotM Icon Shiver.png|30px]][[File:RotM Icon Frye.png|30px]][[File:RotM Icon Big Man.png|30px]] 
Kan biko zettin danso
</nowiki></pre>
:: Making it a template allows future tuning of the lyrics' style, such as adjusting icon sizes, or allow user preference (maybe combined with CSS) to disable icons and use initials throughout. Inlining the icons prevents this future tuning.
:: (2.) Accessability. IMHO, it's not really just about distinguishing the initials between {{color|Marie|Marie|ingame}} and {{color|Marina|Marina|ingame}} (BTW, I came up with "{{color|Me|Marie|ingame}}" and "{{color|Ma|Marina|ingame}}" rather than a one-letter initial "M" here). But I consider readers might copy the lyrics text and paste it on their word processor for printing, and for this reason icons are generally poor in conveying important information such a this. That's why I mentioned "alt text" in the discussion above that could solve ''part'' of this problem.
:: Maybe a better solution would be this: <code><nowiki>[[File:SO Icon Pearl.png|20px|link=|alt=]][[File:SO Icon Marina.png|20px|link=|alt=]][[File:RotM Icon Shiver.png|20px|link=|alt=]][[File:RotM Icon Frye.png|20px|link=|alt=]][[File:RotM Icon Big Man.png|20px|link=|alt=]]<span style="font-size:0; opacity:0; ">P/Ma/S/F/B</span></nowiki></code> ([[File:SO Icon Pearl.png|20px|link=|alt=]][[File:SO Icon Marina.png|20px|link=|alt=]][[File:RotM Icon Shiver.png|20px|link=|alt=]][[File:RotM Icon Frye.png|20px|link=|alt=]][[File:RotM Icon Big Man.png|20px|link=|alt=]]<span style="font-size:0; opacity:0; ">P/Ma/S/F/B</span>) I'm not an expert in the CSS thing so the above code may need tuning. Also, make that a template for whatever solution finally chosen, so that they can apply consistently to all song articles in this wiki. --[[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 18:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
:::While a template is definitely a good idea on paper, it would require the creation of multiple different templates as the design of the table is not cohesive to one simple design.
:::Also, the superscript + singer legend template is more obtrusive to putting the lyrics on word processors than the icons, if this is a concern to begin with (which I don't think it ever was). That, and if they were copying the lyrics from the wiki, they were already looking at the wiki, so they would already know who sings what.
:::The current WIP system was discussed in length on the Inkipedia Discord server, and the lyric table format as a whole reviewed and discussed in the Ink Pump. The typical design of these was not viable for ''Suffer No Fools'' due to the large amount of singers, and this is the best way we were able to keep it consistent with the others lyric tables. [[User:ArgentuTA164|ArgentuTA164]] ([[User talk:ArgentuTA164|talk]]) 19:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
::: 1. My argument would be: Why multiple table designs? IMO, the new table layout doesn't make lyrics more readable but the new table wastes more horizontal space. As I read pages on a mobile phone this space waste is more significant to me. There is no good reason as far as I can see.
::: I try to make an example. Compare this:

{| class="mw-collapsible wikitable sitecolor-s3"
! colspan="5" | Suffer No Fools (English Lyrics)
|-
! colspan="2" | Off the Hook
! rowspan="2" | Lyrics
! colspan="2" | Fire & Ice
|-
! Pearl
! Marina
! Shiver
! Frye
|-
! colspan="5" | Translated
|-
! [[File:S2 Icon Pearl.png|40px]]
!
| Small fish, stick to your bowl<br/>We're money makin', rakin', takin' control.<br/>Watch this– I'll show you kids<br/>the art of diss!
!
!
|}
::: With this:
{| class="mw-collapsible wikitable sitecolor-s3"
! colspan="2" | Suffer No Fools (English Lyrics)
|-
! Singer
! Lyrics
|-
!
! Translated
|-
! [[File:S2 Icon Pearl.png|40px]]
| Small fish, stick to your bowl<br/>We're money makin', rakin', takin' control.<br/>Watch this– I'll show you kids<br/>the art of diss!
|}
::: (I save horizontal space by having just one column for singer icon.) Since this table is not meant to mimic any kind of in-game UI. We can design it to be more compact like this example.
::: 2. Although I hate to point that out, when you reformat the lyrics to the table, you introduced transcription errors that I had fixed before. While I won't blame other editors for their Japanese literacy, you should be careful anyway and compare your transcriptions with others (as I made this mistake before, you can call me a hypocrite for saying this).
::: Wrong: 格の潼いを
::: Correct: 格の違いを
::: Wrong: お〜ら マンタローさん、楽しそうで よろすじおすなぁ？
::: Correct: あ〜ら マンタローはん、楽しそうで よろしおすなぁ？ (Shiver has a Kyoto accent in the Japanese version, the はん rather than さん is not an error.)
--[[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 19:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

:If I reintroduced transcription errors, your fixes would have been made after I had copied them down. Also, wouldn't it be easier to fix the transcription yourself instead of telling me about it? (Not upset, just wondering why you're telling me.) [[User:ArgentuTA164|ArgentuTA164]] ([[User talk:ArgentuTA164|talk]]) 20:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
:: 1. Because there are a lot. And as the format changed (to a wikitable) it's hard to compare line by line.
:: 2. Transcription errors means the (unofficial) English translations afterwards are unreliable. Unless I am native to the language you are translating from (sorry but I am a Chinese not a Japanese), I cannot very your translations are accurate. That's the problem.
:: --[[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 20:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Well that makes a little more sense at least. I'll go ahead and do a double-check on ''Big Betrayal'' later tonight. [[User:ArgentuTA164|ArgentuTA164]] ([[User talk:ArgentuTA164|talk]]) 20:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
:It is fully possible to make the lyrics be handled by a new template as you're proposing. I would not consider the template implementation or lack thereof to be a deciding factor towards implementing one lyric format or the other; templates can always be created or removed down the line according to our needs.
:ArgentuTA164 proposed the new table formatting in April and shared their experiments in [[Inkipedia:Discord|our Discord server]] which was met with a lot of support. The current system has messy-looking superscript and linebreaks, it overall doesn't allow for easy side-by-side comparisons of each set of lyrics.
:A major concern with the current means of marking which idol sings which lyric is that the added coloring per idol name abbreviation is not very accessible; screen readers may read the abbreviations (though ultimately, abbreviations seem more confusing that helpful in this case), but a general issue persists as certain signature colors have poor visual contrast (ie. Frye), overall looking glaring and difficult to read. Adding alt text to the idol icons to the table format would work better for detailing the idol names. Implementing a single-column singer listing sounds good.
:At this time Three Wishes is the only lyric page to now not be updated ([[Till Depth Do Us Part#Lyrics|example]] of an updated song page). The new table-based lyric system had been thoroughly discussed in the Discord server with general agreement that it is an improvement; I see now the change could have benefited from some on-wiki discussion, but overall discussion should have been held before you reverted it. The new table should be reinstated once the alternate languages have also been converted to the new format. [[User:Yoshifan52|Yoshifan52]] ([[User talk:Yoshifan52|talk]]) 20:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
:: The main motive for me to revert the page is that new edits introduce "regressions". I mean, transcription errors that weren't there before. And apart from the table format, I personally value content accuracy first. And as I mentioned, transcription errors means further Japanese-to-English translations unreliable. I just can't get why you guys decided to roll out the format ''right now'' before you spend time correcting errors first. Because if I have had the privilege, I would revert other pages too, citing the content quality issues. --[[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 22:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
:::My understanding is Argentu has very diligently copied everything as accurately as possible, consulting with experienced translators whenever possible, but if you spot any remaining transcription mistakes, please correct them directly. It is possible to observe the previous page versions containing the non-table formatting and copy the lyric text from there to the current table formatting versions. Please do not revert to the old formatting as a means of correcting non-formatting-related mistakes; simply update the lyric content. There's no need for a formatting revert if the primary content you mean to correct is not the formatting. I'll leave a message asking fluent editors to check for accuracy in the chat. [[User:Yoshifan52|Yoshifan52]] ([[User talk:Yoshifan52|talk]]) 23:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
::: I feel I was disrespected when an administrator told ''me'' to correct a mistake that was not my own. Besides, I have done proofreading before (such as [https://splatoonwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Big_Betrayal&diff=prev&oldid=556833 this edit]) and I don't have the motivation to do it again at the moment.
::: If an [https://splatoonwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Big_Betrayal&diff=prev&oldid=631895 edit diff like this] can't tell you easily what lyric lines have changed (thus introducing regressions), chances are that you did the wiki syntax more complex than necessary, or you are doing too much in a single edit (I am not a fan of either case).
::: The older, template syntax approach had a good [[wikipedia:Separation of content and presentation]], but with the new lyrics table, that principle was ruined. And it became harder for me to review the lyrics in the new table format.
::: It's not that I can't design new templates to help adapting the lyrics to the new table. But it looks like you guys just want to push the new format too quickly without caring for the long term maintainability, and I lost my interest in contributing to this wiki anymore. --[[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 02:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I had no intention of disrespecting you; I fail to see how my message may be read as rude. You're more in tune with the transcription mistakes you brought up than I am, so I'm entrusting you with the task as I am not knowledgeable on the topic. I've asked others to pitch in if possible. As an administrator I am not a "main editor" of the wiki or such, I primarily help facilitate others to make their own edits. If one spots a mistake, they should try to fix it; if for any reason they cannot fix it themselves, we ask them to demonstrate what needs fixing and where so others may complete the edit. 
::::If I'm able to help I will help, and if you are requesting specifically I fix it, I'm afraid I only have very entry level knowledge of Japanese and thus don't feel qualified enough to handle this text, as I am only confident in reading kana; I'm unfamiliar with 99% of kanji present. This is in line with our [[Inkipedia:Policy/Translation#What not to do|transcription guidelines]]. 
::::I'm not sure what to say here; unfortunately I can't see your reply as constructive. Our community is in general agreement the new format works better at this time. The table format had been repeatedly discussed and reworked on one of our editing discussion spaces for over four entire months. [[User:Yoshifan52|Yoshifan52]] ([[User talk:Yoshifan52|talk]]) 04:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I mean no offense, but your mistake as an administrator is not leaving a written record about the decision to change the table format, and not having a space for other editors to discuss about the decision. Saying the discussion happened on a Discord server is not enough, as there are only a few of the contributers can attend a voice chat there, and there is a need of minutes whenever a big decision is made.
::::The other things is, when rolling in a big change like a lyrics table, you or Argentu should make sure the content is up to date, like, merging two development branches in a version control system. The wiki system isn't capable of detecting content discrepancy (known as "merge conflict" in a VCS), and what Argentu has done is equivalent to abandoning a branch that is kept up to date my many contributors in favor of ''their'' branch. That voids the contributing efforts of other editors and is partly why I was upset. (You didn't know it took me many real world hours to proofread the lyrics to make them match the official video, did you?)
::::As I said, my interest in contributing to this wiki was over. --[[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 20:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::We as staff do not claim to be infallible or better than other users—we make mistakes sometimes as well, and we are more than willing to respectfully and calmly discuss them as we have done on this very talk page.
:::::Respectfully, you are as of now the only voice of dissent to this change overall, but despite that I would say other editors in this discussion have been more than willing to engage with your critiques in good faith and implement your feedback where agreed as necessary. The fact that you have felt disrespected and seemingly irreparably wounded by simply having been asked to try and meet us halfway does not reflect well on your mindset as an editor who should be willing to collaborate and ''most importantly'' forgive some of our most dedicated editors their occasional missteps, as any of us would you in turn. If you will not or cannot bring this behavior to our project, then your loss of interest is our cause for relief. {{User:Driftin Soul/Sig}} 00:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
::::: [https://splatoonwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Big_Betrayal&diff=prev&oldid=632805] I don't know who is uncollaborating. --[[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 17:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::I thought you said you weren't interested in contributing to the wiki anymore? /genq
:::::Beyond that, did you check with ''anyone'' about the new format or template? I had specifically intended to keep the squid language separate due to a suggestion from a patroller or admin to limit Now or Never Seven songs to two columns max.
:::::And the inline lyric icon format is...not appealing. The colored boxes do not look good when used in succession and I find them unnecessary at best and actively intrusive at worst.
:::::You also made no effort to communicate your plans and show them from what I can tell, and now the tables actively conflict with the original plan. [[User:ArgentuTA164|ArgentuTA164]] ([[User talk:ArgentuTA164|talk]]) 17:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

::::: 1. I noted the intention to create a new template in a [[User talk:Explorer09/Sandbox|draft talk page]]. (Administrators should have been aware of this.)
::::: 2. The template design isn't final. Actually I left it open for ''any presentaion'' of the singers because the real purpose of the template is to [[wikipedia:Separation of content and presentation|separate content from presentation]]. That way if you want to change icon size or color or whatever then it's easy to change it on the template rather than on the articles.
::::: 3. I didn't find any suggestion of yours about "limiting Now or Never Seven songs to two columns max", but I'm welcome to hear it. However, there is one thing I need you to know: The "squid language" of the lyrics are not exactly the same in every language version of the video (so I've hit differences [https://splatoonwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Three_Wishes&diff=prev&oldid=639268 like this] when trying to proofread every line). I mean, you might being that into consideration when you bring up a good table for "squid language" lyrics comparisons (and I would suspect that table would be four columns).

{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible sitecolor-s3"
|-
! Kana
! Romanization (unofficial) from kana
! NoA official romanization
! NoE official romanization
|-
| {{Inline singer lyrics|りゃに にゅらに めら にゅうぃら みりょまれ|S3 Callie|S3 Marie}}
| {{Inline singer lyrics|Ryani nyurani mera nyuwira miryomare|S3 Callie|S3 Marie}}
| {{Inline singer lyrics|Rani nyurani meranyu wira miryomare|S3 Callie|S3 Marie}}
| {{Inline singer lyrics|{{sic}} Meranyu Wiramiryo mare|S3 Callie|S3 Marie}}
|}

::::: [[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 19:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::Your draft was moved to that talk page by another administrator with the intent that you could work on it further if needed and then present it in a more public-facing manner such as a proposal or in [[Inkipedia talk:Ink Pump|Ink Pump]] (as you were told on your own talk page); most users will not think or seek to look at the talk page of a user subpage unless specifically directed, so just having it there is not really a good way to prompt discussion. {{User:Driftin Soul/Sig}} 19:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::Where is a better place for I to bring up the discussion of this issue about the lyrics table (that I can't see what others are planning and it's seem that we are duplicating efforts making results that cannot be merged)?  I'm not sure what to mention if I bring this to [[Inkipedia talk:Ink Pump|Ink Pump]] for further discussion. --[[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 20:03, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::The Ink Pump would be the best place to discuss things if you do not have a concrete plan to suggest. If you do have a concrete plan to suggest (with all the moving parts set up, such as related templates) please set up [[Inkipedia:Proposals|a proposal]]. [[User:Yoshifan52|Yoshifan52]] ([[User talk:Yoshifan52|talk]]) 03:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Files a discussion here: [[Inkipedia talk:Ink Pump#Lyrics table format and templates]] --[[User:Explorer09|Explorer09]] ([[User talk:Explorer09|talk]]) 09:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)