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Gender in infobox

I remembered that {{Infobox/Character}} uses "gender" as a parameter. I'd like a small vote on what we should do, as we're: de-emphasizing gender in favor of style; with the recent merging of male and female people into real people; and Shiver discussion.

Change gender parameter to pronouns

e.g. change gender=Male to pronouns=he/him etc.

Remove gender from the infobox entirely

Since it should be obvious from the article's writing what the character's pronouns are

1. Well someone's gotta vote at some point. I think it should be pretty easy to integrate this information into the main article itself (ex: Goggles is a male inkling found in the Splatoon Manga series) if not otherwise derived from quotes pages, general appearance, or the page referring to the character inherently. Trig - 11:34, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

   Okay, but why not both? Infoboxes are intended for at-a-glance information, and gender is certainly something people expect to find in the infobox. Any further details can be explained in the article's paragraphs. Heddy (talk) 13:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

2. If we keep gender, another whole shiver thing could happen. But if we put pronouns, then characters will feel like real people, and that'd be weird. Kinda like a pronoun pin on a computer... it's just odd. So just remove it in general and put it into writing. -Xando (ping) 12:36, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

   When you say "whole shiver thing", do you mean the period of time where Shiver's gender was unknown? Because, if so, I don't see how that justifies removal of gender for every single character in the game. The period of time where it was unknown could/should have been settled by just leaving it blank, providing pronouns and other details elsewhere. Shiver currently has a gender listed, as do most characters, and if the gender is truly unknown then I feel that leaving the field blank (and stating every detail known in the article's paragraphs) would be the best solution. Heddy (talk) 13:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

Slate Talk Contribs 23:32, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm in favor of adding a "pronouns" parameter in addition to the existing "gender" parameter, the former which should only be used in cases where the gender of the character is ambiguous or undefined (as with Commander Tartar, O.R.C.A., the Smallfry buddy, etc). The only reason to do so is because there is no official information on the matter; using concrete terms on those characters' pages would be a large assumption on the wiki's part (as we are not given the precisely relevant language). It's simpler and more correct to list that they are exclusively referred to with it/its. I don't see why the entire infobox used on 50+ pages needs to be revamped for just a handful of characters, when adding an additional, more descriptive parameter to use exclusively on their specific infoboxes solves the issue.

I'm against outright replacing "gender" with "pronouns" as I feel as if that's lending Nintendo more credit than they are due in terms of how they gender their characters. The majority of Splatoon characters are explicitly gendered, so implementing a big change such at switching the Squid Sisters' listings from "female" to "she/her" creates a bit of unintended ambiguity on the matter, which is inaccurate.

Additionally, the playable agent characters are currently listed as "gender: any"; if the infobox module swaps the "gender" parameter for "pronouns", these characters would have to be listed as "pronouns: they/them", as thats what official material uses, when that's not really correct. The agents are stand-ins for the player, rather than "canonically" going by they/them. Yoshifan52 (talk) 23:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't see a reason to remove this information. The player select screen using "style" instead of gender is not at all a valid reason to remove content from the wiki. All it means is that the player character doesn't have a gender. It means nothing more. It definitely doesn't mean that the Splatoon universe as a whole retroactively no longer has gender. I'm fine with adding pronouns for those cases where the gender is not known. Heddy (talk) 05:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Gender is already an optional parameter and is not listed on O.R.C.A.'s infobox, and I think it's fine that way - playable characters being referred to as "any" is the simplest way to say that their gender is determined by the player, and all other characters' genders are either clear or not listed. I can think of very few cases where characters with ambiguous genders (i.e. not Captain 3) are referred to using any pronouns at all, so adding it as a separate thing from gender has remarkably few use cases. _{Just a silly little goose ^.^} (talk | contribs) 08:09, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

+1, no reason to remove, seconding everything said above. Everyone's points are extremely well-articulated, and all solid, objective, supporting reasons. Characters still do/can have gender (and you know saying "style" is just pretty much a euphemism when it's so 1:1 correspondent – to the Inkling/Octolings girls/boys wearing a sports bra vs. not, having shorter vs. longer shorts, having pointed vs. non-pointed triangles in their eyes, having higher vs. lower voices and different voice lines… right?) Doesn't this, like, feel all a bit pretend? And ultimately unnecessary to have some big discussion about? The concept of gender in the world is not "bad" – and it's also not something the series has always shied away from, either. This infobox field can always be left blank; there is no reason that merits modifying the entire template. This discussion is a bit silly. –Eli (talk) 12:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I've added the optional pronouns parameter to the template as suggested but seems that there's no quorum to make any article changes, be it removal or additions. Slate Talk Contribs 23:37, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Formatting for titles of works of art

Wikipedia does italics for major works of art such as video games titles (like: Splatoon), and quotation marks around minor works of art such as song titles (like: "Calamari Inkantation"). Currently, Inkipedia does use italics for major works, but Inkipedia doesn't have an agreed-upon treatment of minor works.

I am proposing that Inkipedia adopt a more fresh, stylish, easier-to-follow approach: all works of art, major and minor, should be italicized. Further, I am proposing that conjectural names should not be italicized. Quotation marks would not be used. Bold would continue to be used only for the first mention of a subject in its own article, and bold would continue to be combined with italics as appropriate.

If there is a consensus here, I will go ahead and update Inkipedia's Manual of Style. If there is not a consensus (for this proposal I will define consensus as at least 80% of people voting the same way) within two weeks, the Inkipedia community's strongest arguments will be analyzed to create a new proposal that everyone is more likely to agree with. Heddy (talk) 14:13, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I support italics for all works of art (Heddy's new proposal)

1. Heddy (talk) 14:13, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
2. ✦Shisei✦ 14:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
3. Anemoia [Talk!] 14:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
4. Adrmcr (talk) 14:25, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
5. Trig - 14:25, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
6. FancyRat 14:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
7. I'd like to say that quote marks would mix official and conjectural song names in navboxes. — Exaskliri _(they/them) (talk | contribs) 14:32, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

   There isn't a rule that says conjectural names should be quoted, so I don't think it matters. Harimaron (talk) 14:45, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

8. Odd (Talk) 15:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
9. Harimaron (talk) 16:20, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
10. GloverMist (talk) 19:26, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
11.  GX_64 (talk)  00:40, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
12. This makes most sense to me given our current position on conjectures Slate Talk Contribs 23:39, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
13. Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:14, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
14. Lofiguy (talk) 17:36, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
15. Woomy? (talk) 18:38, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
16. ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 (ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖) 01:35, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
17. KPOfficial26 (talk) 19:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I support italics for major works and quotation marks for minor works (Wikipedia's approach)

1. StarAdamStar (talk) 14:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Comments

• An implication of this would be, no more leaving parts of a title out of the italics. Like, I guess some people felt that "Expansion Pass" was more of a minor work so it didn't get italics while the "Splatoon 3" right next to it did get italics. Sure, expansions or DLC may be minor, but they are a formal title of a work of art, so I believe they would qualify for italics under my new proposal. Heddy (talk) 15:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

  Though I have always seen Octo Expansion italicized on the wiki. In my view this reflects the existing practice. Harimaron (talk) 16:16, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

• Do we also want to italicize titles in the foreign languages box or not? Wikipedia:MOS:NOITALIC suggests the following:

  Italics should not be used for foreign-language text in non-Latin scripts, such as Chinese characters and Cyrillic script, or for proper names, to which the convention of italicizing non-English words and phrases does not apply; thus, a title of a short non-English work simply receives quotation marks.

  Harimaron (talk) 09:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

  I don't want to impose English style norms on other languages. For now, let's not change anything about how names in other languages are handled. It's up to foreign language editors to decide in a separate discussion, if they want to change something. Heddy (talk) 00:39, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

• This proposal has overwhelming support. So, from now on we will use italics for all works of art, not just major works. In addition, conjectural names should not be italicized. I have updated the Manual of Style accordingly. Heddy (talk) 03:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi I'm new

Hi I'm new to the Inkipedia, could you teach me the ropes? StarDekuStar 7:35, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome to begin editing, as there is no required learning before starting, and you will learn as you go. If you want to learn more before editing, please see Inkipedia's help pages or MediaWiki's help pages. And feel free to ask any questions you have here! Heddy (talk) 02:55, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

I can help you more on your talk page if you want. Walrus(talk) 03:22, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks Mage! StarDekuStar 10:37, 12 March (UTC) StarDekuStar (talk) 14:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

You can ask any questions you have and I will probably respond within a day. Also I love the nickname "Mage", I will definitely use that in the future! Walrus(talk) 17:32, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Add Twitter posts for Live from Squid Research Lab/Archive

We know that the page Squid Research Lab/Archive is supposed to be an archive of the original Tumblr posts for the @SplatoonUS account. Is it a good idea to add Twitter posts from @SplatoonNA there? KPOfficial26 (talk) 11:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but the content from the Twitter account should be archived separately from that of the Tumblr account. Yoshifan52 (talk) 06:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Sure, there could be Squid Research Lab/Archive/Tumblr and Squid Research Lab/Archive/Twitter. KPOfficial26 (talk) 09:51, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

April Fools' Event

I think we should add a new April Fools' event for 2023. Discuss your ideas below. KPOfficial26 (talk) 14:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

A few ideas:

1. Change a major section of the site to be a different color.
2. Hold a fake announcement for something like Splatoon 4 or The Splatoon Movie

Lofiguy (talk) 21:44, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Cool idea, a Splatoon movie would be cool! I think we should make a poster that includes the Splatoon 3 Splattershot in a black background. But this is not final, we'll start the voting period soon! KPOfficial26 (talk) 19:19, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

This specifically makes me think of the old fnaf teasers, which I think something like that could be a great idea Adalent (talk) 05:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Maybe say that Nintendo announced Side Order to release on April Fool's day and put it on the front page

Or say that Nintendo has confirmed that there will be 38 more Splatoon games Octoknight (talk) 00:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Me, an emaciated rodeo clown, and a guy made out of bees are working diligently on a nefarious plot for this. Weep no wider—something will probably happen. Trig - 00:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Insert maniacal laugh here* Octoknight (talk) 00:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

It could be a mystery, Trig. Anything you want. KPOfficial26 (talk) 19:21, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Nice idea, maybe we could make a concept 30-second gameplay of Side Order, such as the hub, the levels, and the tower! Not final, we'll start the voting soon! KPOfficial26 (talk) 19:20, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

That makes me think of something, maybe a fake announcement that Project Splatoon 3 was noticed by Nintendo and they liked that idea, so they would add something similar to it as a DLC that was beyond what was announced? As if they were keeping it secret or something? (I am so sorry if this makes no sense or is a bad idea, it's nearly midnight and my brain isn't working properly.) Moon (talk) 04:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Cool idea! They could add that as DLC! KPOfficial26 (talk) 11:38, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we could fake an article about a new species confirmed to be coming to Splatoon 3? Like Cuttle-lings, or Sharklings. Arivaki-Kun (banter) 16:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I think sharklings would trick a lot of people Six-claws (talk) 18:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that would be a great idea! Or Salmonlings too, because I've seen that a lot within the community, or Mantalings, I've seen a lot of that too. Or - leaning towards the Project Splatoon 3 idea - Harelings, because I feel like Harelings would be cool! Moon (talk) 00:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

April Fools' Event Voting

The submissions period has now been closed, so it's time for voting!

1. Lofiguy (talk) : Splatoon 4/The Splatoon Movie announcement
2. Lofiguy (talk) : Change site color to a different one
3. Octoknight (talk): Side Order Release Date announcement
4. Octoknight (talk): 38 Splatoon games confirmed
5. Trig: ???
6. Moon (talk): Project Splatoon 3 acknowledged by Nintendo
7. Arivaki-Kun (banter) : 3rd playable species ("Sharkling" or "Cuttleling")

Voting

Place your votes down here!

KPOfficial26 (talk) 11:51, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps I should have rephrased. We have something planned and that is what is going to occur. Weep no wider, you will get your comedic funny ha ha for the first of the month. Trig - 14:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok, all voting is canceled. Trig is working on something. It's a mystery. KPOfficial26 (talk) 15:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

A casual reminder

This poll about creating a fanon wiki ends the end of the month of March. Highly encourage people to vote on it as it may impact the outcome of creation. Trig - 15:33, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

A weird idea

So, I had an idea I wanted to share. What if we made a template for people's user pages that shows when they were last online or when their last edit was? I don't know, I just thought of this so that no one will have a problem with trying to talk to a user who's been offline for a while. Arivaki-Kun (banter) 17:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

You can already quickly check what a user's last edit was using Special:Contributions. I'm against the implementation of the template(s) you're describing here, as I feel those are features intended for social media sites, not wikis. Users may freely disclose their timezones / most active editing times / general busy-ness on their userpage without a specialized template.

The nature of Talk pages is so that people are able to leave and come back to them to respond to messages there at their own comfort; if you need to leave an important wiki-related Talk page message for someone, you should do so regardless of if you can confirm they will read it soon. Yoshifan52 (talk) 23:50, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, okay! Thanks for telling me about this, this was just an idea. :) Arivaki-Kun (banter) 17:03, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I personally use {{Special:Contributions/Trig Jegman|limit=1}} on my main userpage to show my last edit. It can be bumped up to show more if you want it to. I would be against having this as a forced concept but if you want to make a template that replaced the contribs link with the userpage the template is on or something for people to choose to use, that could be a useful tool. Otherwise, feel free to yoink this and use it yourself. Trig - 18:28, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the feedback! I didn't mean to say that it would've been mandatory. Thanks again. Arivaki-Kun (banter) 16:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Here's a Question

I have created user pages before, but those were originally regular pages that someone else moved to a user page. Can someone please tell me how to make one? Octoknight (talk) 00:53, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I prefer to make pages using Special:WhatLinksHere. Change the first box to "User:" then name your page Octoknight/<pagename>. Alternatively, type in "User:Octoknight/<pagename>" to the search bar and click the red link there to make the page. Trig Jegman - 01:48, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Octoknight (talk) 01:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Fast-track policy

For Requests for Rights, the current fast-track policy is 2 weeks if there is a complete consensus in the votes (meaning everyone votes the same way). This topic has not seen much discussion in the past, so I'm opening this discussion here to see the community's current opinion on making fast-tracking even faster or keeping it the same.

Should we change this to 1 week, or to 10 days, or keep it at 2 weeks, or some other timeframe? Is there anything else we should change about fast-tracking? Please reply with your opinion. Once I get an idea of what timeframes are most preferred, I will open a community vote in the future to choose a specific timeframe. If nearly everyone agrees on a timeframe in this discussion, no vote will be needed. Heddy (talk) 22:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I feel like we should have something similar to Wikipedia's SNOW policy. Wikipedia's RfRs last for one week minimum. I also feel like a number could be set as a basis for the SNOW clause, e.g. after +15 support with complete consensus. Very few RfRs get beyond the +10 mark. B'crats should retain discretionary power. I'm happy with 10 days to be in-line with other NIWA wikis such as wikirby. Slate Talk Contribs 00:16, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Scrap existing fastrack and consider the following instead: Fifteen unanimous supporting votes concludes the voting in ten days; Twenty for a single week. Both options need at least two higher rank votes as well (this is for anti-sockpuppet/crowdrushing; two admins for patrollers, two bureaucrats for admins et cetera). I would also maybe suggest shortening the overall voting period to three weeks anyway, but that probably warrants a different discussion entirely. Trig - 04:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Agree on both of Trig's counts, things do take quite long and agree that a new policy would be helpful. This would especially would be helpful with the influx of people on this website. -Xando (talk) 13:42, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Is there a way to undo edits after they're done?

I accidentally messed up the Clickbait page while adding a description for the Tableturf Main Theme.Images for other versions don't appear anymore. Is there a way to fix it? Rat L. Boy (talk) 18:02, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

You can revert edits via opening the history tab of the article (located at the top of the page, in this case this link) and clicking on the "(undo)" link beside the most recent edit's summary. In this case though, I don't think your last edit to the page broke anything at all. The images you mentioned load fine on my end and the description you added is excellent, so there's no need to revert it. Yoshifan52 (talk) 19:08, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks! I guess the images for salmon run and tableturf just aren't loading for me. Rat L. Boy (talk) 21:56, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

That's odd, try hard refreshing your browser (how to do that depends on your device and browser). Yoshifan52 (talk) 22:09, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Never mind I'm stupid. I thought the images appeared when you scroll down. Sorry. Rat L. Boy (talk) 01:27, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

No worries, glad you were able to figure it out! Yoshifan52 (talk) 23:53, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Sticker Name

Saw that we haven't quite decoded the MM-LVM sticker meaning. Wondering if LVM could be LeVel Map? Also the SG-MASQ I will say is a huge guess but maybe MASQ is MAssive SQuiggle or something? I just want those little ?s gone is all. Rozelia The Octo06 (talk) 19:54, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

This question should probably be asked on the List of locker stickers in Splatoon 3 page. You are free to add these, and if people disagree, they will remove it. You can make mistakes, because people will fix them. Don't worry about it! Walrus(talk) 22:15, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Teahouse equivalent proposal

Soft-proposing the idea of implementing a forum-like page equivalent to Wikipedia's Teahouse as a front desk for new or uncertain editors, given the otherwise general lack of such space, and obvious need for one. The Discord server is a great place to ask general questions or seek volunteer insight outside of the Talk namespaces' scopes, but not every editor has an account on Discord, or wishes to participate in it. Though Wikipedia is certainly much larger in userbase and scope, I strongly believe a forum page on Inkipedia itself, rather than externally on Discord, would help keep Ink Pump neater and closer to its intended purpose, as well as provide friendly on-site support for less experienced editors. Note the goals of the WMF's Teahouse project.

I'd like to note that the editors in the topics above asking for general help aren't at fault or have done something grievously wrong leading me to propose this; since there isn't a proper formal space for requesting such help, they defaulted to Ink Pump, the only active public on-wiki forum dealing with wiki matters. It would be better to have a more obvious spot for uncertain editors to turn for any type of question rather than Ink Pump regulars having to point out its intended purpose once per month.

If we were to copy Wikipedia's Teahouse closely, I am more than on board with serving as an active volunteer for it ("hosting" it). Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:44, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

I would agree that this is necessary. A lot of new users arrive at the Ink Pump and ask questions, but the Ink Pump isn't quite the right place for that. I actually saw the Teahouse a few weeks ago and thought it might be useful for Inkipedia, but didn't have the time to propose it. I'm currently on mobile, so I apologize for any spelling mistakes. Walrus(talk) 02:05, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Evil boogeyman Trig here: I actually don't think that is needed. I think Ink Pump and User talk pages are more than sufficient for this information. Rather, I think we should look at overhauling and improving our help pages and providing more convenient methods to get there. I think splitting across a fourth location for information (fifth if we count discord) is not going to be inherently useful because info will be spread too thinly. Plus, I fear it will lead to a lot of redundancy that would only be better covered in a Help page anyway. Also also, on my list of projects (of which there are many) are to make small videos as a guide for various wiki tasks for the broader MediaWiki space: It's on my agenda, just haven't been able to work on it extensively. This may help in addition to that. Trig Jegman - 03:08, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

The entire point of the Teahouse is answering repeated questions, though, to make the wiki space as newcomer friendly as possible. Ink Pump isn't intended for helping with the types of questions being asked recently, per the banner at the top of the page... Improving the help pages' material would definitely be good for the site in general, but whether or not new editors will take the time to read those to begin with (considering the current help page / policy page literacy), or if those pages are even capable of answering every type of question, is uncertain. Whether or not a hypothetical Teahouse would be used is also uncertain, but at the very least it would be a more direct "go here to request advice for general questions" page, which this wiki currently lacks. I do think the Discord is great for what it is, but keeping the direct help messages locked behind a chat service (that's a continuous stream of many messages per day in the editing channels) is not ideal for entirely different reasons... If the idea of a Teahouse is considered very unhelpful that's fine by me, but there's people asking for editing advice in Ink Pump a handful of times a month at this point; they should be sending these requests elsewhere, and that elsewhere doesn't really exist on-site at this time. In my experience newcomers are too intimidated to use Userspace pages for those kinds of questions. Yoshifan52 (talk) 05:19, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey, popping in,

I've started on my User:Xando/New User Information page and have been adding more information for new editors that might be helpful. I know Trig was talking about reworking the welcome notice, so maybe we could put it in there. Let me know if any ideas you have. -Xando (talk) 11:32, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed reply! Your page looks great, but it's mostly geared towards explaining the userspace pages and user customization elements of Inkipedia, rather than general beginner friendly how-to content regarding Mediawiki as a whole. What I have in mind (and what Trig has mentioned working on) are much more broad than this; I would rather not give you a list of all the topics you haven't covered here, as there's too many. The existing help topic pages fulfill this "landing zone" role much better for now. The tone of your page is currently more joke-y than substantial; while a friendly, humorous tone is preferred for help pages I would personally want to almost entirely overhaul this, which I can't commit to at this time. However, given it's your personal page, whether or not my critique is to be taken into account is up to you; do as you like. I do think it's the start of a solid page, but it's not up to the current help pages' standards. Yoshifan52 (talk) 22:00, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for checking my page out and giving the constructive criticism! I know my page is a bit jokey, and I'm probably gonna fix it later. I definetly should work on some mediawiki stiff, but right now it's geared toward userpage/sig stuff so people dont just go to the main page talk and say "I sawd sumone with a kewl usernamee how do i get?" immediately. Again, I really appreciate it and will take any advice! Also, lmk if you want any help with the teahouse thing, Yoshifan and Trig! -Xando (talk) 12:57, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Question

Hello, everyone. A decent amount of weapon strategy pages only have Splatoon 2's category on them. I have edited the Competitive:E-liter 4K page, and it looks like how I would prefer to put it, but does anyone have any ideas on how the pages should be laid out? Thanks ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 (ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖) 18:45, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

I think it looks fine as it is in my opinion!!! My only thing is that the reference for the infobox looks kinda funny just floating there, but i don't know where else it could be put Squidcat (talk) 23:59, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the infobox could be placed somewhere else, but it's relevancy to the whole article versus a section come into play there. Additionally, does anyone think we should create additional sections to games prior to Splatoon 3 (as it's the current game)? I personally think we should, since this is to improve Inkipedia as a whole not just what is needed.

ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 (ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖) 17:53, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Verify casing on article names

One of our styling rules is that articles stick to the casing in-game. However mediawiki makes a name title case... obviously. But that means for articles like can, there is ambiguity if "can" should be "Can".

I think there should be an initiative for all content articles to check their casing to in-game(s) sources, to ensure that the casing is correct. We should have a means to say when a page is verified, such as a note, template, or category at the bottom. Slate Talk Contribs 21:11, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Pretty much everything was verified in the Splatoon 2 era, but a few things may have gone unnoticed and Splatoon 3 stuff may need checking. I don't think there should be any note visible to readers, as actual usage in each article is sufficient. So, I think a project page should be what tracks this. Maybe the project page could list screenshots verifying usage for each term. Heddy (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

As further evidence, we recently moved 8-ball, 8-ball launcher and 8-ball switch because of the capital B for ball. That had gone unnoticed for quite some time, and that's a S2:OE mechanic. The articles all used the incorrect casing, despite there being screenshots on the page of the usage in-game. I do not think a project page is the best, because it would have to contain every content article the wiki has, plus images per your suggestion. That would be a big page and a maintenance nightmare for new pages and/or pages that require moving/deleting. Screenshots should be on the articles they talk about anyway. Slate Talk Contribs 22:33, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Every content article the wiki has? I thought we were talking about mechanics. I'm not suggesting an ongoing thing, just a one-off check that could be repeated whenever appropriate (like another game being released). The project page could simply be a checklist of mechanics, and the actual screenshots could go in the mechanic articles. Heddy (talk) 22:46, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

I didn't mention mechanics anywhere 😅 No, every content article. Slate Talk Contribs 23:15, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Why? Characters, weapons, gear, etc. never need checking. Only mechanics like "can" or "Super Jump". Heddy (talk) 00:32, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Because there are some edge/inconsistent cases. For example, Museum d'Alfonsino, Off the Hook, Man-o'-Wardrobe, Shelly and Donny, all feature lower-cased prepositions, but Jel La Fleur capitalizes the 'La'. Or perhaps hypenated names like Diss-Pair. Upper or lower P? I want to challenge the assumptions that someone has already checked them. The vast majority of articles will be easy. Slate Talk Contribs 00:45, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

You're right, if you can think of a handful already then there's gonna be more... With huge number of pages needing to be checked, then it may be best for us to use a template that auto-categorizes pages, and shows a page notice if there's a problem (like unable to verify, or discussion needed) but doesn't show a notice for pages that have been verified successfully. Heddy (talk) 02:01, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

New template idea: Infobox/Person

I wrote this on a different talk page but I think it would be appropriate to put here as well. Anyways, there's an infobox for characters, music, etc. but i think it would be really cool if there was an infobox for real people. thoughts?? Squidcat (talk) 03:47, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

This would probably be a good idea...I did notice the other day that pages for developers use an infobox where all the fields are manually set per page, but the fields seem to be rather consistent across all of them, so it would probably be more convenient to make a dedicated template for developer/otherwise real person infoboxes to ensure consistency. Pringlesfan2002 (talk) 03:55, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Yeah!! my only problem is i don't know how to make it haha Squidcat (talk) 14:36, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

What parameters should this cover asides from name, occupation, and a photo? I will attempt to make it. Trig - 14:39, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! There should be parameters for image, full name, native name, born, instrument, first game, latest game, occupation, roles, current location,,,, im just listing off the parameters found in voice actor pages Squidcat (talk) 14:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Some pages for musicians like Toru Minegishi also have a field for music genres they produce, though I'm not sure if that one in particular would be entirely necessary to keep as not all musician pages have it and it might be something that could be communicated just by looking at what songs they've made. (Toru Minegishi's page in particular is a little excessive and lists "video game scores" as one of the genres he produces which is...fairly obvious given the context of the wiki.) Pringlesfan2002 (talk) 14:51, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

yeah, i think the genres part should just be in the article, not the infobox Squidcat (talk) 18:01, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

If you are a major weapon strategy editor, LOOK HERE.

I am trying to collect a large group of people who edit strategy pages, and here's why. I want to get a count of how many people do this, and make the pages more prominent and known.

(Eg, Moving the "View the Strategy Page" link to the top of the page, as some people likely didn't know the pages exist cause the link is faaaar down in the page.)

That's it so far. AbundantHero! Not in the flesh. (It's a phrase) (talk) 23:55, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

I'll definitely be helping you. Check this page for what I'll be working on.

ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 (ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖) 00:13, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

It sounds like you're trying to organize a cleanup project. Going to this page and starting a new topic would be a better place to formally propose the project and gather volunteers there. Yoshifan52 (talk) 01:46, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Alrighty

ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 (ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖) 10:57, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Image moving malfunction

I moved a file for a more descriptive name and the file just,, disappeared? It's gone and I don't know what I did wrong. Help please? Squidcat (talk) 15:24, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Was it "S3 Apple Ringer back.png"? Ryaan (talk) 15:27, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Yep!! I'm so confused right now ahah Squidcat (talk) 15:28, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

But even if it's lost forever, could we just upload a new version? Ryaan (talk) 15:38, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

The problem is that I didn't save the original file. But yeah, I guess, it just wouldn't be consistent to the "front" file. Squidcat (talk) 15:39, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

If it ends up not being consistent, then we could reupload a front version too ig Ryaan (talk) 15:41, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

good idea Squidcat (talk) 15:42, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

I just went on archive.org and I found the file! I can upload it in a bit but not right now. Squidcat (talk) 15:44, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Recently I've been taking gear close-ups with my capture card, so I'm able to take higher quality screenshots. If you want, I can upload more detailed images later today! FancyRat 15:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

That would be awesome! tysm!! Squidcat (talk) 15:48, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Everything is now uploaded and fixed! :] FancyRat 20:14, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Wow thank you so much!!!!! Squidcat (talk) 12:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

hi, I'm new

I've been lurking around this wiki and realised - hey, this is everybody's project! However, I'm completely new to wiki editing. Is there an etiquette? A common template?

Looking forward to contributing to this amazing community!

Ibonn (talk) 14:39, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Welcome!

Check out some of our policies at Inkipedia:Policy. For some small things you can do to get used to editing, check out Inkipedia:Maintenance. Let me or someone you see editing know if you have any more questions! -Xando (talk) 15:55, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

New templates for linking to tweets/youtube videos for citation purposes

Hello

Just wanted to let y'all know that I've just cobbled together Template:Tweet and Template:Youtube, which should make it much easier to correctly format links to tweets/youtube videos when citing them (as these templates will handle that malarkey for you). Have fun I guess. YetAnotherContrivedUsername (zhe/purr) (talk・edits) 17:19, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help on that, it will make things a lot easier! Have a great week! -Xando (talk) 17:34, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of images

I'm trying to clean up and use the images in the unused images category, but a large amount of them just need to be deleted because of an image that serves the same purpose, or duplicates. Can anyone who has deletion privledges help with this? It's rather difficult/annoying to go to an article to add an image, just to realize the image needs to be deleted. Any help is apreciated! LakePuddle 16:36, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can't help with deleting, but I could try and help with images that can be used and put them on pages, if that helps at all. If not, that's okay. Just wanna help! Arivaki-Kun (banter) 17:10, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

That totally helps, thank you! I'll try to make a list of the ones that aren't up for deletion to make things easier. LakePuddle 18:06, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Glad I could help. :) Arivaki-Kun (banter) 18:23, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Heres the list so far, made it so they would still be considerd unused. Will add alot more. https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/User:LakePuddle/sandbox4work LakePuddle 18:33, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll see if I can find any more as well. Arivaki-Kun (banter) 18:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I had an idea. Is it okay if I edit the page to remove the names of the images that I've relocated, as well as move some into the 'probably should be deleted' section? It would make it a bit easier. Arivaki-Kun (banter) 18:37, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

course!f

LakePuddle 18:39, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Of course!* (not sure what that was) LakePuddle 18:39, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! (also don't worry about your typing, my autocorrect hates me) Arivaki-Kun (banter) 16:57, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

To request for a file to be deleted you need to mark it with Template:Delete. Then an Admin will delete it :) Odd (Talk) 20:09, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

All of then where already marked for deletion, but thank you anyway! LakePuddle 20:22, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

T-Shirts

I've noticed that the "Tee" pages always describe the shirts with "Short-sleeved (color) shirt," "(Color) tee (shirt)," or "(Color) T-shirt."

I've been trying to make their descriptions match, but I don't know which would be correct. Thank you! Rat L. Boy (talk) 16:08, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Apologies for the late reply; nice job making all the T-shirts' descriptions more uniform. I think the option you chose works well. Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:36, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I think I might fix them up a little more, but for now I think it's good. Rat L. Boy (talk) 20:03, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

New Splatfest ad on Facebook

The official Nintendo Switch Facebook account recently shared this new promo for the Zelda Splatfest: @Nintendo Switch on Facebook That gives us a more in-depth look on the new stage and all the other stuff. KPOfficial26 (talk) 23:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Nice find, however the talk page for that Splatfest is a better place to discuss this. Yoshifan52 (talk) 03:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Unofficial Translation Question

With the release of the Splatoon 3 artbook and the Splatune 3 album, there's now a ton of minor character information that is only accessible in English through fan translation. Is it acceptable to put this information in articles, or should we wait until official English versions are released? Thank You! Sleepycricket (talk) 20:58, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

If you have a solid translation source, go for it. You're welcome to use fan translations as sources so long as you're certain they're not machine translations (done by translation software). Yoshifan52 (talk) 22:07, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Perfect! Thank you! Sleepycricket (talk) 01:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

A Question

How do you make a page in the current projects category? Cuttlfish59 (talk) 00:06, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Are you referring to Inkipedia:Current projects? What project are you trying to initiate? I can help set something up depending on the nature of what it is. Trig - 00:29, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Creating a Forum

Looking at Bulbapedia, they have a forum for fan discussion and whatnot. Do you think Inkipedia would benefit from something like that too? There are two ways this could go. 1: We could empower users to edit more by having a place to unwind after a long day of editing. 2: We could completely draw users away, which will most likely not happen because Inkipedia currently has a good number of loyal users. If the staff are not planning on making this, I hope they will at least see what the community thinks. After all, not all of us have Discord!

See User Talk:Octopedia/Poll to vote.

Octopedia(Sandbox) 14:54, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

No. Trig Jegman - 18:15, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, if you don't have Discord, then just get Discord. There is no cost for using Discord and it takes less than a minute to register. Discord is already essentially Inkipedia's forum, so it would be pointless to open a second forum. Heddy (talk) 18:52, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Inkipedia Newspaper

Dr. Insane ideas here. Anybody ever seen The 'Shroom on MarioWiki? Wouldn't people have fun with something like that on Inkipedia? For those who don't know what it is, it's a free digital newspaper with stories, strategy, and wiki things just to name a few. Now I'm not saying we'd have to make a new space for it (like MarioWiki), but I think the community would have lots of fun with it. Anyway, you can vote and suggest names and content ideas here. Octopedia(Sandbox) 18:44, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Repealing the Age Requirement

Remember that block on Marigold? I don't think that was fair. I would estimate that at least 10% of users are underage, and I just don't think that's fair. Inkipedia is not a free and editable wiki if half of users can't sign up! Anyway, I think we should get rid of that age requirement. Or at least a reason why it's there. Octopedia(Sandbox) 19:40, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

It's here because COPPA law requires it. The block stands. Slate Talk Contribs 19:41, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay. That makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up! Octopedia(Sandbox) 19:43, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

How about you join the Discord Server to discuss your Ink Pumps contribution? - User:Yaya 19:43, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

No thanks. Today was a big journey out of my comfort zone, and I think I'm good. Octopedia(Sandbox) 19:47, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Please consider joining in the future, it would truly be a joy to have you :) - Harristic (talk) 19:49, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Userboxes

Hey sry just a quick question but how do you put user boxes onto your User Page?

(sry I'm new) Mariefan (talk) 13:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

(and dumb) Mariefan (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

To add a userbox, use the template called Userbox. For example, here's a userbox about your love of Side Order:

{{Userbox
|id= [[File:SO Inkopolis Square.png|48px]]
|id-c= #F5F5F5
|info= This user loves Side Order!
|info-c= #E2E5DE
|border-c= #808080}}

It'll give:

This user loves Side Order!

By the way, in case if it's not showing properly here on your end, just copy the template and paste it into your user page. KPOfficial26 (talk) 14:06, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I saw your user page is in Japanese, so if you want it in Japanese, change the info parameter to: このユーザーはサイド・オーダーが大好きです！ KPOfficial26 (talk) 14:08, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much!! Mariefan (talk) 14:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome, I'm always happy to help. The other admins can help you too, but I'm just a normal user who knows everything and one day might become an admin. KPOfficial26 (talk) 15:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

By the way, Category:User boxes has links to different user boxes that you can use :) Odd (Talk) 15:20, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

You probably will if you keep it up! Mariefan (talk) 15:22, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Controllers

On some pages, ex: Big Run, Octo Expansion, the infobox shows the controllers. Are they strictly necessary for the page? I see little to no function for them, so if someone could explain the decision, that would be appreciated. Thanks, -Xando (talk) 16:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I would guess it is trying to reflect the information found on most boxes—Controllers necessary to play being one of them. This was more an issue on the wii, where some titles needed nunchuck or others would use pro but not gamecube, or gamecube and not pro etc etc. Less of a thing now, but still possibly useful to document. Plus, as obvious as it may seem, its still information about the mode that needs documenting (we should assume people have never heard of the title ever). Trig - 00:50, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

It probably comes from the Battle Dojo in the original Splatoon which had unusual controllers compared to other modes.  GX_64 (talk)  02:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Understood, thank you. -Xando (talk) 11:26, 24 May 2023 (UTC)