Inkipedia:Ink Pump/Archives/2024-11-20

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Making things consistent

I found that some points for special changes have the words "Points required for special" and others have the words "Points to fill special gauge". I would like all weapons to have the "Points to fill special gauge" wording. The Thing (talk) 13:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

If there's no opposition to this idea, then I will use the ReplaceText tool to automatically change all instances. Heddy (talk) 13:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

No opposition here. But I was wondering, what is the ReplaceText tool and how would I access it? (In a hypothetical sense of course) Lastly, don't forget to Stay Fresh! NewSquidbeakSplatoon (talk) 18:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hypothetically you'd have to become an administrator on this wiki and then type Special:ReplaceText in the search bar. It's somewhat difficult to use and capable of destroying the entire wiki so it's in the hands of very few. Heddy (talk) 00:24, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

The text replacement is complete. Heddy (talk) 00:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank You! I am glad a tool like that exists! The Thing (talk) 01:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Weapon icons

I have been putting weapon icons using the Template:Weapons template on my user page whenever I mention a weapon. I was thinking that could be cool to put on other pages.

I was also wondering that if this did happen, would we use the 3D or 2D icons? The Thing (talk) 18:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

This would be in violation of the Manual of Style and as such not viable to implement. Gallium![Talk] 15:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

As Gallium said, there's a variety of reasons we generally prefer not to use inline icons in text. Thank you for your suggestion though (and you're more than welcome to continue doing so in your userspace if you like)! Driftin Soul [Talk!] 15:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Good to know, I don't really know the ins and outs of policies or other things like that on Inkipedia. I just joined to add version history improvements for weapons, and sometimes adding extra interesting Trivia for weapons. I even have my own Version History on my user page detailing my favorite weapons. The Thing (talk) 17:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

If you're interested in knowing more about our policies (I would definitely encourage giving them at least a light browse) you can find them at Inkipedia:Policy or click the "Policy" link in the sidebar on the left! Driftin Soul [Talk!] 17:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

The wiki's paragraphs were absolutely stuffed with icons at one point. Icons for weapons, buttons, currency, brands, gear, abilities, characters. It looked very messy and not fresh, among other issues, so we agreed to limit in-line icons to infoboxes, tables, and bulleted lists. Heddy (talk) 21:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Splatoon 2 x Sanrio

I've noticed that there's no section for the merch this collab had, and I'm wondering if there's been an agreement to simply not add it; or if it just hasn't been discussed. I'd be willing to fill out info on the page/section, if it were to be added. If I have to do it myself, how would I go about it? Miragetheultra (talk) 00:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

It probably wasn't added in due to copyright regarding Sanrio, as they are quite restrictive as to what content they do and don't allow without permission, but I am not a site dev so I have no clue if what I am saying is correct or not. AnnakiAnarchist (talk) 00:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

At this time our merch coverage is a bit messy and lacking a lot of documentation. Please feel free to add information to our S2 merch page. We could also do with a page dedicated to the collaboration as a whole, once our collaboration pages are set up. Yoshifan52 (talk) 01:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

it is quite sad not many in the wiki know about the recent sanrio collab as a big sanrio and splatoon fan i really love it and i really do think it should be further documented and talked about on our wiki!! :D Lixzx dead (talk) 19:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

We should make this a downloadable app

I was looking through the play store and I thought "wouldn't it be nice to have an app that I could use even if there is no internet. So I propose we make this an app as well as a website, like bulbapedia. VAGABOND 13:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, there is not much need for a dedicated app. It's unreasonable to expect this volunteer-run website to pay the annual account fee for Apple and other app stores (100 USD per year, last time I checked).

You can get an identical experience to an app by selecting the "Add to home screen" (or similar) button in your smartphone's web browser. This will create an app icon on the home screen that looks like the other app icons, and opens Inkipedia.

As you mention, one thing apps are good for is they sometimes have offline functionality. MediaWiki-based wikis like Inkipedia can add offline app-like functionality by using the Progressive Web App extension. However, this is probably the first time someone has asked for offline features, so offline functionality might be rarely used if we went to the effort of setting up the Progressive Web App extension. Heddy (talk) 22:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

fr i would love a inkipedia app i would defo be way more active Lixzx dead (talk) 19:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Any interest in more pictures for stages or models?

Hiya! I've considered bringing this up in the past, but it was recently suggested to me by others, so I figured I might as well!

I run the blog splat-details on Tumblr, where I post a bunch of different screenshots I've taken using flexlion. I'm not sure if pictures like these are something that the community thinks the wiki could benefit from, but if so, I'd be happy to offer my help! My blog doesn't contain all the pictures I've taken, and I've also recently fallen behind in taking screenshots of new things being added to the game, but that's an easy fix.

I'm sure the site is very busy with the Grand Fest and all, so I apologize if this is a bad time to bring this up. If there is interest in this, feel free to reach out to me about it. Thank you for your consideration! Mchi22 (talk) 02:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mchi22: The use of freecam screenshots in video game wikis can be a bit of a gray area. Using mods/cheats for screenshots could create some neat images, but could also hurt the image of the wiki as a place for documentation of official content. According to Inkipedia policy, unofficial content is generally not allowed unless it receives media coverage or editor consensus. So, it's probably best to not upload those screenshots to Inkipedia. However, you are welcome to visit the Inkipedia Discord to start a wider discussion on the issue, as ultimately gray area screenshots could be allowable if there is a consensus among Inkipedia editors discussing the issue. Heddy (talk) 04:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Completely fair! I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask seeing as some gallery pages include rips from The Model's Resource. Thanks for your feedback! [: Mchi22 (talk) 04:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

At this time we don't have a solid policy on modded screenshots; a handful of currently uploaded images fall into this uncertain category. The same applies to screenshots taken via the use of unofficial emulators. I'm working on a new image policy proposal that would formally allow using such for wiki screenshots/videos, with the caveat they are kept to a minimum (prioritizing "legitimate" screenshots) and never detail leaked upcoming content. The only cosmetic alteration allowed with mods would be the removal of UI.

Before adding anything from your blog we would first want to verify your screenshots were taken at the correct resolution, with correct color output etc. which is the process we follow for all capture card screenshots. We would also want you to upload to the wiki directly rather than for us to download the images from Tumblr, as there's some compression at play even if we ripped from Tumblr at maximum quality.

I've looked through your blog's contents a bit, I think quite a few of your screenshots would be useful to us. Most of your photos are a bit too niche as details that wouldn't really fall within reasonable documentation territory, but it's worth examining and discussing. Images from posts such as this one for example, while definitely interesting to a Splatoon fan, wouldn't particularly aid documentative wiki text description of the area; with how intricately detailed every single Splatoon area is, screenshots of every single nook and cranny would become cluttering for a wiki space. However the images from a post like this one demonstrating the Octo Expansion background details would be great to have on the related station pages, as those details are something very noticeable in game yet impossible to get a clear chance to photograph well. At the moment I believe we have minimal photo examples of the station details. Ultimately there's a balance between how much detail we would want to include; tonally important reference details like those seen in the Octo Expansion is one example towards "this is noteworthy for the wiki yet impossible to photograph without the use of mods".

In my opinion, disallowing modded screenshots would be like disallowing glitch coverage; seeing as we're not documenting anything about the mods themselves nor sending users off to download them, instead simply using them as tools to aid in wiki documentation, whether or not Nintendo allows modding is irrelevant so long as those using the mods are doing so in ways that don't involve piracy, or outright derisive rulebreaking (ie. using the mods in online play). We currently very openly allow things like using dialogue datamines, datamined weapon specs and such to aid wiki editing. Using similarly tamper-y tools to tweak the game's screenshot output to fit our purposes is not overstepping a new boundary for the wiki. Yoshifan52 (talk) 05:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Sure, that makes sense! I absolutely understand not needing all the images, I know that I'm way more thorough than I need to be in that regard. The backgrounds of Octo Expansion are actually what made me start this project in the first place, since I wasn't able to find many good pictures of them elsewhere.

Should the new policy be put in place, I'd be happy to have a more in-depth discussion on the topic regarding the specifications of the screenshots. Thank you for taking the time to respond! Mchi22 (talk) 09:13, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mchi22: We are currently voting on the new policy, which is expected to pass in 2 weeks. You are welcome to vote. Heddy (talk) 05:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

About Missing Links and Redirects.

While scrolling through the list of wanted pages, I noticed that a lot of missing links seem to be just links that were improperly typed out, and that made me wonder: what links should be removed and what links should be turned into redirects. For example, Dash Track and Dash tracks both seam like they are supposed link to Dash track, but are incorrectly typed and therefore do not work, I was wondering if any wrongly typed link should be made into a redirect, or if they should more often be fixed on the page they are on. TheYoshiGang (talk) 13:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

In a lot of cases the correct answer can be both of those things: fixing the link in question, but also creating a redirect at the same time. This means that problem links are both fixed in the short term and also set up a failsafe for any incorrectly-formatted links later down the line, so that they can at least point users to the proper target page until someone is able to fix the link to a direct one.

(Of course this obviously only applies to minor formatting or reasonable spelling differences similar to the ones you've mentioned here and not just simple typos and the like. Plural redirects like "dash tracks" are also usually unnecessary, as even if a link needs to be pluralized, that can be accomplished by simple formatting, e.g. [[dash track]]s producing dash tracks .) Driftin Soul [Talk!] 15:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

What's the proper casing of "NoA"/"NOA" abbreviation

I noticed the abbreviation for Nintendo of America as "NoA" or "NOA" is used thoroughout this wiki, likewise for Nintendo of Europe as "NoE" or "NOE". But, which of the casing is preferred? I wish to create {{NoA}} and {{NOA}} templates so that we can have such abbreviations with hover text, like this: NoA <abbr title="Nintendo of America">NoA</abbr> Explorer09 (talk) 11:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion we should refer to those localizations exclusively as "North American/European [language]" (ie. North American English) and do away with mentions of "NOA/NOE" altogether. I believe quite a lot of articles currently use "NOA" etc. as shorthand to explain differences within the region-lock system; bringing up which department of Nintendo handled that particular piece of localization overcomplicates what should be straightforward. I would prefer quote pages and such were formatted to state "North American English localization" (linking to the region page for further reading) rather than "Nintendo of America". Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:15, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Agreed; this is also mandated per the recently-passed translation policy, but hasn't necessarily been amended on all necessary pages yet. "NoA English" and similar are fine in regards to more casual discussion like talk pages but don't have a place in mainspace, so templates of this nature are not needed at this time (not to mention that hover text is also rather unideal for users browsing the site on mobile, as there is no way for them to view it). Driftin Soul [Talk!] 00:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I was assuming a use case where "North America" and "Europe" might be also too long - for example in a table cell. Does this wiki use EU and NA abbreviations as in "English (NA)" and "English (EU)"? Or is there any other way to denote the "English" language in a specific region / localization? Explorer09 (talk) 03:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

"NA/EU" as abbreviations work well, go for it. Yoshifan52 (talk) 02:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I feel like a few things have been added, like separate sections for internal names so we can list more internal names, and mission quotes so we can list them in order, but haven't been widely implemented because no one really bothers, or implements them incorrectly, and I feel like this is another case of that. Olivia (talk) 06:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Our assistance with StrategyWiki

StrategyWiki's Splatoon 3 table of contents, containing a large mass of red links. You really don't want to see how bad Side Order looks over here

Hello Inkipedians! Good morning! (give me a Woomy if you live in EST/EDT) I am speaking today to bring to attention the idea of helping with StrategyWiki. You see, ever Cross-Wiki week, I go to StrategyWiki to help with Splatoon 3 pages, and every time, it's the same, (although TheYoshiGang made a lot of pages; thanks a lot!) A barren wasteland of red links. So I was thinking that, we as the Splatoon wiki, kinda owe it to StrategyWiki to help them out! And as an incentive, (because we all need that,) all of these edits towards StrategyWiki also go towards the 20 dollar e-shop card! Hopefully I've convinced a few people to come help StrategyWiki. Lastly, don't forget to Stay Fresh and have a ridiculously awesome day! NewSquidbeakSplatoon (talk) 10:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

can someone help me please

So its been over 3 days and i did more then five edits however this morning i cheacked and i can see that i was not a Autoconfirmed users could someone please help me Indie Wingz (talk) 07:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

just wait a bit more. Olivia (talk) 14:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Alright i will wait thank you Indie Wingz (talk) 15:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

X Battle data (or the lack thereof)

I have noticed that the only page with X battle data is X Battle data/Chill Season 2022, and even that one is incomplete. Would it be possible to automate it using a script like with Challenge results? Olivia (talk) 08:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Nice catch, we absolutely should continue to document the X Battle top players. I believe Shahar has a script for such similar to his Challenge data script; the issue is even with the scripts, a lot of tedious work goes into setting up those pages. I'll add this to my to-do list for now; if other are interested in pitching in do let me know. Yoshifan52 (talk) 20:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Great! Olivia (talk) 22:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)