Talk:Big Betrayal

Meaning of the Japanese name

The name has some puns (like some other Deep Cut songs) that probably requires explanation. What we figured out so far: ぴしゃげる (pishageru) is "slap" in Hiroshima dialect. ド (do) sounds close to ぞ (zo) which is a particle added after a verb to emphasize intention. ぴしゃ (pisha) is an onomatopoeia for slap/splash.

The above info is provided by Hinemi Himeida on Discord, they also suggested a candidate translation: "Firm-slap castigation". Perhaps other editors with better Japanese knowledge can make use of this information. Harimaron (talk) 18:59, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

It's a dialectical form of ひしゃげる hishageru which is "to be crushed/squashed" – this is what L1 Japanese friends suggested when I asked them about it, and I'm guessing it's more meant to get at this meaning rather than the 'slap' one. 鉄槌 tettsui has a literal meaning of "iron hammer" but can be used to mean to "crack down" harshly (e.g. on crime) or a "crushing below" delivered in battle. So, both words are embodying this same sort of feeling. I personally don't like 'castigation' in a potential TL here but that's just personal preference. I've hopefully added enough contest and now someone else can arbitrarily come up with a localization. Or we can just add this info (in a more succinct manner, please) directly to the meaning page – I'd argue it's not really our job to localize or come up with fan titles, except where strictly needed (i.e. not semi-obscure BGM tracks that already have official localizations). –Eli (talk) 12:45, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The song seems to have a reference to Calamari Inkantation. Should this be added?

Big Betrayal seems to reference a part of Calamari Inkantation after Frye is done talking. It seems to reference the part that plays immediately after the intro ends in the original Calamari Inkantation (and all versions after). Is this noteworthy enough to be added? Can anyone notice if it references it later in the song? Carro179 (talk) 20:57, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I've added it, nice catch! Yoshifan52 (talk) 03:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Why was the file removed? Is this really leaked content?

Are any audiovisual files regarding content not yet implemented in the game not allowed simply because it's future content, regardless of whether or not it's been officially posted by Nintendo? WUTAdam Talk 04:20, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

The previously uploaded audio file contained a significant amount of unreleased content not available in the official music video, hence it was considered a leak. Harimaron (talk) 07:15, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Is it okay to add now because the Splatfest is over? Cuttlfish59 (talk) 17:02, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Harimaron (talk) 09:52, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Cuttlfish59 (talk) 16:06, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Trivia??

"This song seems to have a very similar beginning to a song written by Bentley Jones called "Dreams of an Absolution", which uses a part from a song that released in 1998 called "Music Sounds Better With You" by Stardust."

I feel like this isn't really a strong enough connection to be trivia. even if it does sound similar, there's no indication that it would have been intentional at all and the "dreams of an absolution" song link probably shouldn't be to the one from the Sonic soundtrack if it stays (edit: fixed a word that i wrote wrong lol MarzianPack (talk) 02:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Listening to the three songs side by side, I do agree Big Betrayal very briefly has a backing synth that sounds very similar to the main synth melody in the intro of those two songs. It it highly unlikely this similarity is intentional at all, it could just be a common EDM synth progression. Coincidental similarities are exactly what the trivia section is meant for; if it is indeed nothing but a common synth progression at play, thus there's a lot of mainstream music that also includes it, then it should be removed from the page. The songs' brief similarity isn't significant enough to warrant further documentation on it as a proper sample, so a brief mention in the trivia section is the best spot for it. Yoshifan52 (talk) 03:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

On a personal level I'd be okay with removing that point. Both of the mentioned songs use a vaguely similar synth fade, but it comes across as more melodic than Big Betrayal's (which, as our description points out, sounds more akin to a warning siren). Driftin Soul [Talk!] 03:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC)