Talk:Regular Battle

Merging with Turf War article

Isn't Regular Battle synonymous with Turf War battles? Why do we have two separate articles for them? The description for "Regular Battle" exclusively names Turf War battles; unlike the Ranked/Anarchy Battle mode option, only one mode corresponds to "Regular Battle". Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:01, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I think the reason they are separate is because Turf Wars also happen during Splatfests, so some of the information on this page is not for all Turf Wars. The Splatfest music should probably be removed from this page  GX_64 (talk)  00:43, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Under that lens, standard Turf War and Splatfest Turf War should be regarded as two separate modes. "Splatfest Battle" redirects to the Splatfest article rather than to Turf War. If we want to be completely clear on standard Turf War being separate from Splatfest Turf War, we need a "Splatfest Battle" page equivalent to the Regular Battle page as well as a separate "Turf War (Splatfest)" mode page; In my eyes, it's simpler to make the "Splatfest Battle" page and the "Turf War (Splatfest)" pages be one and the same, since there is no other type of Splatfest Battle. Similarly, there is no other type of Regular Battle. Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:55, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I am concerned that then there will be two pages both with information about Turf War. What if we just have a Turf War page, and include sections for Regular Battle and Splatfest battle? (I think this is similar to what you suggested originally. I got confused and thought you meant putting everything from Turf War here)  GX_64 (talk)  01:09, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

The Splatfest version of Turf War is a separate mode in-games though; it has significant game mechanic differences outside of the battles (ie. gear, availability, exp system, prizes) to warrant separating it from the standard Turf War page in my opinion.

To put it plainly, here are the options I'm suggesting (page titles bolded for clarity):

1: Merge Regular Battle with Turf War, turn the Splatfest Battle redirect page into a new Turf War (Splatfest) page (my preference)

2: Keep the Regular Battle and Turf War articles separate, but clean up the current Splatfest Battle redirect page to match the current Regular Battle article. That leaves us with the hypothetical Turf War (Splatfest) page, for which there are two options:

2a: Note the Turf War (Splatfest) mode in a subsection of the Turf War article

2b: Create Turf War (Splatfest) as a separate page from Turf War

Hopefully this isn't too confusing, apologies. Yoshifan52 (talk) 03:07, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

The Splatfest version of Turf War doesn't strike me as something distinct enough to merit its own page separate from the normal version of the mode...It's basically just Turf War but occasionally you'll get 10x/100x/333x battles, which are still mechanically identical to Turf War aside from the Clout earned being multiplied.
I would like to point out that though there's a slight issue in all of these plans, because "Turf War (Splatfest)" is already noted on the Turf War page, as in the mode in Splatoon 2 that's exclusive to private battles. I would argue it's a slightly different thing than the actual battles that occur during a real Splatfest, since it's a private mode meant for recreating the visuals of Splatfest and giving access to the Shifty Stations, so you'd have to make sure any information about actual Splatfest battles couldn't be easily confused with the private battle mode. Pringlesfan2002 (talk) 03:27, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I forgot about Turf War (Splatfest) mode in private battles in Splatoon 2. Should we instead call the page "Splatfest Battle" to avoid confusing them? But then that would make it less consistent with the "Turf War" page for Turf War in Regular Battles.  GX_64 (talk)  03:33, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

The modes are explicitly distinct in how they are entered in-games: players choose either Regular Battle or Splatfest Battle to enter one version or the other.

That Splatoon 2 exclusive version of the mode should be moved to the Private Battle article to begin with, as it is not a sub-mode of standard Turf War nor Splatfest Battle Turf War; it's only available through the Private Battle mode. The public version of Splatfest battles during Splatoon 2's lifetime were a separate mode with the aforementioned differences, which the Private Battle version lacks (ie. players can equip any clothing, no exp is gained). Yoshifan52 (talk) 03:42, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, they are entered in different ways, but mechanically a Splatfest Turf War plays basically the same as a regular Turf War beyond the (largely external) Clout/Power systems. To me it seems kind of like trying to say that, say, Tower Control should be counted as two different modes depending on whether it's played in Anarchy Series or Anarchy Open, even though beyond the matchmaking/points earned they're both the same mode with no gameplay difference. I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself well, I apologize if I'm being confusing... Pringlesfan2002 (talk) 03:54, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

They are referred to as separate in official material, unlike the two Anarchy modes which are considered a collective. Entering one or the other Anarchy variant doesn't present the amount of differences one version of Turf War over the other presents. In Splatnet, entering either variant of the Anarchy modes labels the battles as "Anarchy Battle", whereas entering A Splatfest Turf War labels it as "Splatfest Battle", and entering a standard Turf Ware labels it as "Regular Battle". If you select an individual Splatfest Battle match in Splatnet, it says Turf War accompanied by a Splatfest icon, which the standard Turf War mode listings lack. Yoshifan52 (talk) 04:35, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I think the first one is the best. If we do that, I'm thinking that maybe the basic information about how Turf War works, such as the current Description section on Turf War, should not be repeated on both pages. Could there be links on the Turf War (Splatfest) page to the Turf War page for things like this to avoid repeating the same information?  GX_64 (talk)  03:28, 6 April 2023 (UTC)