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| <p class="btextwidget">The Ink Pump</p>
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| <p class="textwidget">Welcome to the '''Ink Pump'''. Similar to Wikipedia's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump Village Pump], the Ink Pump serves as a general place for the Inkipedia community to discuss the wiki as a whole, whether it be ideas, proposals, technical issues, or notices.<br /><br />
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| Remember to put new discussion sections at the ''bottom'' of the page.<br />
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| You may also wish to view ''[http://splatoonwiki.org/w/index.php?namespace=1&tagfilter=&title=Special%3ARecentChanges recent talk page discussions]''.<br />
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| Archives available [[/Archives|here]]. Pages archived after 25 messages or 35,000 bytes.<br />
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| <!-- PLEASE PLACE NEW DISCUSSION SECTIONS AT THE BOTTOM :) -->
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| ==Splatfest Images==
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| I think it would be good if someone can get images from the night stages and inkopolis plaza as well as the squid sisters for their appearances during splatfest. I don't know how to get the pictures, so if someone could, that'd be great.[[User:Vernanonix|Vernanonix]] ([[User talk:Vernanonix|talk]]) 15:10, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :The easiest way to capture pictures is to press the Home button when something you want to capture is on either the TV or gamepad, then use the Internet browser and upload the picture to a image-hosting site of your choice. I use Google Drive. I captured images of the three stages and took like two pics of the plaza... I uploaded one of them and can upload the other one now I suppose. --[[user:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 17:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ==IRC Channel==
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| Hi everyone! First of all, I'd like to congratulate Inkipedia on becoming a member of NIWA. It's great to see that organization grow and have another wiki as an addition. A lot of the NIWA wikis have IRC channels - for those who don't know, an IRC channel is a chatroom where members can communicate real-time, similar to the Skype setup you guys have now. The reason why I'm suggesting an IRC channel is because it's an option that has a lot more features and allows the Inkipedia staff more control over what happens; there's also no need for an invite process, as a chatbox can be put up on one of the pages here and any Inkipedia visitor can join. If an invite system is necessary, there are options for that as well in an IRC channel. The other great thing is that IRC channels are located on a network - I run an IRC network called StarNet, which is already a home to some Nintendo-related websites (namely, the Super Mario Bros. X project). Users from multiple channels on a network can join other channels and communicate with eachother, which allows every community involved to gain new members and grow. Just thought I'd post this here in case you all are interested. Feel free to drop me a line on my talk page, send me an email, or [http://irc.stardustfields.net/ visit the StarNet website]. (edit: I totally forgot to sign this, sorry) - [[User:Zarpho|Zarpho]] ([[User talk:Zarpho|talk]]) 22:19, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :I think this is a good idea. The reason we currently use Skype is because it's easy for users who aren't currently in the chat to read it once they get on and catch up with everything that's been discussed. What does everyone else think? - <span style="background-color:darkgreen; border:8px ridge lightgreen;">'''[[User:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:white;">Shrimp</span>]][[User talk:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:black;">Pin</span>]]'''</span> 22:11, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::There are ways to implement features that can allow users to see what has happened before they've joined as well. [[User:Zarpho|Zarpho]] ([[User talk:Zarpho|talk]]) 01:01, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :people still use IRC? :P Honestly, while I'm sure it would have its benefits, I feel like it's a thing most people aren't familiar with (due to the fact it is a bit dated) and is just an additional thing to learn how to use to be able to participate in the community discussion – which I do think may dissuade people. I don't have an IRC client installed and wouldn't want to get one just for Inkipedia – and keeping a mibbit-powered tab open at all times isn't really practical either. I like how on Skype we can see past messages to catch up on what we missed, too! –[[User:Eli|Eli]] ([[User talk:Eli|talk]]) 03:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::While IRC does have a lot more features, some of which that can take longer to learn how to use, in terms of jumping in and chatting it's actually as simple as opening a page and choosing a nickname, and it doesn't involve the invite process or installing Skype. Clients like IRCCloud allow viewing scrollback. [[User:Zarpho|Zarpho]] ([[User talk:Zarpho|talk]]) 01:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::: Fully support IRC - the API is open unlike Skype which is Microsoft proprietary and needs developer setup. That means programmers can have bots that can play games or report useful information. Also has a much more intuitive permissions system. And we can do a public link and have people moderate the chat. I'd be willing to set this up / register. Big thumbs up from me. {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 23:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :::: Yeah, I support IRC too. Like Eli said, I don't want to grab one software so I can use it for one thing. (in my case Skype) It's way faster to join a chat and way less of a resource hog among other things compared to Skype. (depending on the client of course) If people don't want to use IRC, we could look into Slack too, it's closer to Skype and registering is easy. [[User:PPLToast|PPLToast]] ([[User talk:PPLToast|talk]]) 05:21, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::: Happy to see you guys are interested. If you do end up setting up a channel, feel free to send me a message (I'm usually on IRC as 'Joey' instead of Zarpho) and I'll help you guys out if necessary. [[User:Zarpho|Zarpho]] ([[User talk:Zarpho|talk]]) 12:40, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Writing==
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| Do you guys think there's any merit in trying to decipher the writing written around the plaza? Right now, we do have some confirmed words in Cat, Dog, Pop, and Rock which can be seen on Splatfest t-shirts. Think it's worth making an article on?[[User:Vernanonix|Vernanonix]] ([[User talk:Vernanonix|talk]]) 16:18, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :I think it's been discovered that it's all basically gibberish, except for a few key words like you mentioned (unless it's a more difficult language, closer to Japanese which has a lot more than 26 characters). - <span style="background-color:darkgreen; border:8px ridge lightgreen;">'''[[User:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:white;">Shrimp</span>]][[User talk:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:black;">Pin</span>]]'''</span> 22:13, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::We have [[Inkling (language)]] if you'd like to add any notes =) {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 23:10, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :::Also, I'm not sure where our current article gets its info from, but [http://squidboards.com/threads/inkling-the-language-of-splatoon.195/ this thread] on Squidboards is a treasure trove of info. --[[user:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 17:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Inkipedia Patreon/Shop?==
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| In order to help cover hosting costs and any future prizes we're planning (wink), it would be nice to have an Inkipedia bank to draw funds from. Ideas have been thrown around including a Patreon for people to directly donate to, and a shop with unique Inkipedia merchandise. What are y'all's thoughts? - <span style="background-color:darkgreen; border:8px ridge lightgreen;">'''[[User:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:white;">Shrimp</span>]][[User talk:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:black;">Pin</span>]]'''</span> 00:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :I think the Patreon idea is good. [[User:Thesquidsisters|Thesquidsisters]] ([[User talk:Thesquidsisters|talk]]) 00:09, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Ditto for me! great idea [[User:Spencer|- spencer]] ([[User talk:Spencer|talk]])
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| :Before I make a decision and state my thoughts on the matter, I would like to ask: What merchandise would we be able to create and sell within a possible shop? --[[User:SgvSth|SgvSth]] ([[User talk:SgvSth|talk]]) 04:00, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::I can't see us being legally able to sell any merchandise with Nintendo content on it. I could see us selling merchandise with just the Inkipedia logo text on it, or maybe some fun phrases ("Squid or a kid"...hah). <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#07517C">Super</font>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#6FA23B">Hamster</font>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]]</small> 18:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Which was what my issue was. Even the Inkipedia logo might run into issues due to the squid potentially being a trademark of Nintendo. I do not like the Paypal idea below, but the Patreon idea might work out along with possibly having an ad system on the site. --[[User:SgvSth|SgvSth]] ([[User talk:SgvSth|talk]]) 02:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :If possible I'd prefer donating to a paypal account to avoid fees associated with a middleman website. Also as far as merch goes I think that the squid eyes (+mouth?) in silhouette would look cool on a tee (or a cap, if that's possible...). Ooh, or a tee with an ink splatter pattern all over it (not just the front or back).--[[user:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 00:17, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :I am 500% not okay with the idea of selling Nintendo-related content, by the way. It's copyrighted stuff. Us doing what we do for fun is one thing, but the second money starts coming into the picture, we start treading on thin ice. – '''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>''' 07:59, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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| I would totally buy some Splatoon related merch from a shop. I don't know how you would host it honestly. [[User:PlayR489|PlayR489]] ([[User talk:PlayR489|talk]])
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| ==Feature Requests==
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| Hey, so while using this wiki, I notice two things:
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| 1. [[Special:Upload]] has no option to upload images by URL.
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| 2. [[Special:RecentChanges]] has no Who's Online feature so you can see what users are online.
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| Could it be possible to implement these to this wiki? Since I'm so familiar with the other NIWA Wiki I first came from (MarioWiki) that has both of these features, I don't think it'd be too out of the question to add. Unless this wiki runs on a different version of MediaWiki or something, I think this could be arranged. [[User:UltraInkling3000|UltraInkling3000]] ([[User talk:UltraInkling3000|talk]]) 13:26, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :Upload by URL is a bit traitorous, as people can upload other's work without giving it a second thought, given how easy it is. I'll speak to [[User:Prod|Prod]] about it. The list of people who are online is a good idea, yes. I wonder why it's not there by default. – '''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>''' 08:03, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::#Upload by url is currently sysop only. It's up to the community if that needs to be changed.
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| ::#From a quick check of the code to Extension:WhosOnline, it does a database commit on every view, and users are marked "online" for an hour after a page view. This seems like it would cause quite a bit of load on the database. Based on analytics, the average user stays on the website for about 5 minutes. How much is this feature used?
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| ::-- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 02:49, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :::If the online user list puts a large strain on the server, I don't think it's necessary enough to implement. I suppose it's useful to see who's online in the event we want to contact someone (particularly admins), but I don't think that's too much in demand. Also concerned about users' privacy, if someone doesn't want to be seen as online. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#07517C">Super</font>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#6FA23B">Hamster</font>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]]</small> 02:58, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :::Youch. Yeah, if it's heavy, never mind. – '''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>''' 08:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Navigation==
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| Could [[Stage|Stages]] be added to the front page navigation so its easier to find? I don't like digging thorugh a bunch of articles to find the index for them. [[User:redactedjpg|redactedjpg]]
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| : [http://splatoonwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Main_Content_Box&curid=67&diff=16441&oldid=16430 Done]. {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 22:08, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Revised Ink Colors==
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| I wanted to provide some colors that are a bit more accurate to the Ink colors used in ''Splatoon'' on the Wiki, as shown [[Template talk:Ink|here]].
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| Also, Redirect pages don't seem to work properly. [[User:Superjustinbros|Superjustinbros]] ([[User talk:Superjustinbros|talk]]) 14:30, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :On the bit about redirects, here is how the [http://splatoonwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Ink_Strike&type=revision&diff=16140&oldid=15904 redirect should be formatted to work]. The page that users will be directed to needs brackets around it and both it and the redirect code needs to be connected with a colon. --[[User:SgvSth|SgvSth]] ([[User talk:SgvSth|talk]]) 14:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :: OCD note - the colon is not necessary but if you're going to use it, it should go ''inside'' the link. The colon denotes a namespace (Template:, File: etc.) and the main namespace (Main) is signified as :''Article''. For example, <nowiki>[[Main Page]]s</nowiki> --> [[Main Page]] and <nowiki>[[:Main Page]]</nowiki> --> [[:Main Page]] are the same but :[[Main Page]] is "append a colon to the front of the link that goes to the Main Page".
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| :: The correct way to form a redirect is
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| :: <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[</nowiki>''Target''<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> or
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| :: <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[:</nowiki>''Target''<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> or
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| :: <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[</nowiki>''Target#Section''<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code>
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| :: Ink colours look good! {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 18:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Skype group link==
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| I know this might be obsolete soon with the [[#IRC Channel|IRC channel]] proposal going through, but I think that the [[Inkipedia:Skype|Skype group]] should at least have a <code>skype:?chat&blob=</code> link to allow people to join the chat, instead of having users request to be added instead. It would be a safer then waiting for a sysop to remove usernames and summaries from the edit history. Also, it would be more convenient. In the Skype group settings, checking the "Allow people to join this group" box gives the group a link. Using that link in Skype allows a user to join the group. <span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue;">[[User:InkTempest|InkTempest]] ([[User talk:InkTempest|talk]])</span> 02:35, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :You're saying it's safer, but it's quite the opposite, it's quicker but you could get anons who could click it. [[File:Inkling luke.png|50px|link=User:Lukey140701]] ([[File:Inkling talk.png|50px|link=User talk:Lukey140701]]) 13:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :I thought anons were supposed to be included? Anyway, I think anons could just join IRC chat anyway so nothing really changes. <span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue;">[[User:InkTempest|InkTempest]] ([[User talk:InkTempest|talk]])</span> 18:05, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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| == Instant Messaging Comparison ==
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| If we're thinking about moving from Skye, then I and [[User:Espyo|Espyo]] thought we should have a comparison between software before we make a decision. Please add any more reasons you can think of to the table. {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 16:34, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ''' Vote: ''' [https://speherh.typeform.com/to/TiuWkB here] <br />
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| ''' Join Slack: ''' [http://inkipedia-invite.herokuapp.com here]
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| |+ Comparison between IM software
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| ! Comparison summary
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| ! Comparison description
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| ! [http://www.skype.com/ Skype] <small>(Current)</small>
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| ! [http://inkipedia-invite.herokuapp.com Slack]
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| ! [http://www.irc.org/ IRC]
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| | Registration
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| | Does the system allow unregistered users?
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| | {{style|partial|Requires Skype account (free) and currently pre-approval to join}}
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| | {{style|partial|Requires email}}
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| | {{style|yes|Yes}}
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| | Bots
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| | Does the system allow bot development?
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| | {{style|no2|Microsoft propriety (.NET restriction); minimal public API.}}
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| | {{style|yes|Slack bot integration}}
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| | {{style|yes|IRC bot full API}}
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| | Custom commands
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| | Does the system have support for custom commands?
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| | {{style|no2|No support for /commands}}
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| | {{style|partial|Hard to script, but not impossible}}
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| | {{style|yes|Full, though client specific}}
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| | Desktop notifications
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| | Does the system notify on messages and allow customisation of these notifications?
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| | {{style|partial|All or nothing for notifications}}
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| | {{style|yes|Includes mentions support}}
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| | Emoticons
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| | Does the system support emoticons, emojis, and disabling of them?
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| | {{style|partial|No custom support but otherwise complete}}
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| | {{style|yes|Full}}
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| | {{style|partial|Emoticons only}}
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| | File transfer
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| | Does the system allow easy file transfers including showing of images?
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| | {{style|yes|Embedded images and full transfer}}
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| | {{style|yes|Embedded images and full transfer including sub-threads and comments}}
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| | {{style|no2|Direct transfer only: is buggy}}
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| | Formatting
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| | Does the system allow formatting of chat?
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| | {{style|no2|Trims excess, no colour formatting}}
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| | {{style|yes|Allows code formatting with syntax highlight}}
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| | {{style|partial|Allows code formatting. Syntax highlighting could be included as an extension, though a limited number of colours exist.}}
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| | Integration with other IMs and streams
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| | Can the system integrate with other communication systems?
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| | {{style|no2|Closed; integrates with Facebook only}}
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| | {{style|yes|Can integrate with IRC, Twitter, Google, and more, but only five integrations allowed with free version}}
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| | {{style|yes|An IRC bot can support integration with many services }}
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| | Integration with webpage
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| | Can we embed or stream the chat to and from Inkipedia?
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| | {{style|no2|Not currently capable.}}
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| | {{style|yes|via integration with IRC or webhooks or wiki bots}}
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| | {{style|yes|via extension or wiki bots}}
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| | Moderation
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| | Does the system allow moderation of the chat?
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| | {{style|no2|Poor permissions system, cannot ban}}
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| | {{style|yes|Allows not only mod users but single-channel users as well}}
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| | {{style|yes|Full}}
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| | Personal information
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| | Does the system respect your privacy? Can you be anonymous?
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| | {{style|no2|Integrates with Facebook if allowed, requires personal details on registration. Location shared.}}
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| | {{style|partial|Requires email, details filled in are shared but filling these is optional. Location shared to the degree of time zones.}}
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| | {{style|yes|Can be completely anonymous except Hostname. Supports proxing.}}
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| | Separate chats
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| | Does the system allow for alternate rooms for different topics or group conversations?
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| | {{style|partial|Other conversations must be made and these are not public until a link is shared. People must join.}}
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| | {{style|yes|Alternate rooms and clean menu to join. Well defined topic. Has automatic joining in group conversations. Supports both private and public rooms.}}
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| | {{style|yes|Alternate rooms and can link in main room. Well defined topic. Has invitations. Supports both private and public rooms.}}
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| | Spelling and autocompletion
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| | Does the system allow for spelling and autocompletion?
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| | {{style|no2|No}}
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| | {{style|yes|Web-based client. If the browser has native or extended spelling, the application will too}}
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| | {{style|yes|Client-dependent, web-based or extension.}}
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| | System load
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| | Is the application light on system memory?
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| | {{style|partial|Mature client, has slimmer Web application}}
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| | {{style|yes|Web-based and downloadable client}}
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| | {{style|yes|Many custom user clients}}
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| | Who's online
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| | Does the system show who is currently online?
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| | {{style|partial|Must have user in contacts}}
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| | {{style|yes|Has offline/online/away}}
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| | {{style|yes|Has offline/online/away}}
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| | Voice Chat
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| | Does the system allow voice chats and calls?
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| | {{style|yes|Full support}}
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| | {{style|yes|Via Google Hangouts integration}}
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| | Paid Plans
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| | Does the system have a paid plan that allows better functionality?
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| | {{style|yes|No}}
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| | {{style|no2|Expensive if you want to lift the 10,000 kept message limit}}
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| : I'm all for Slack. {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 16:34, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :: ditto here [[User:Spencer|- spencer]] ([[User talk:Spencer|talk]]) also [http://strawpoll.me/4892984 strawpoll]
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| ::: The thing about Slack is that [https://slack.com/pricing it only has certain features unless you pay for it]. It's also a nonstandard means of communication, especially among similar communities. What Skype and IRC both do better is that they have a huge group of people that already use them, making connections between users of different places really easy. One IRC client will give you access to hundreds of networks with tens of thousands of people; I could give a list of just the Nintendo-related websites that use IRC and it'd be too long! IRC is familiar to your target audience, and I think it'd be the best option in terms of helping Inkipedia grow while also being a solid way to communicate. [[User:Zarpho|Zarpho]] ([[User talk:Zarpho|talk]]) 03:42, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :::: Voted for Slack. I personally wouldn't want to use IRC or Skype for Inkipedia chat. --[[User:NefariousSquid|NefariousSquid]] ([[User talk:NefariousSquid|talk]]) 05:01, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :::::I'm late to reply here, but I voted for IRC. By the sound of it, it's more accessible, seeing as it allows unregistered members to chat. I think that right there is a very important feature, personally. [[User:SilverStarlight|SilverStarlight]] ([[User talk:SilverStarlight|talk]]) 00:26, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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| : This discussion appears inactive and no decision was reached. Is there simply no desire to move onto another resource? {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 13:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :: Well, it was 4 for IRC, 2 for slack and 0 for Skype, but I don't think we should disband the skype group, but who should make the IRC? ~Chriscoded [http://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/chriscoded Contribs] [http://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Chriscoded Talk] 01:45, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==What's up with all this content merging?==
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| I don't understand why we're trying to condense everything. I 100% believe that shops need their own pages, so it really doesn't make sense to me for them all to simply be a sentence on [[Booyah Base]]... What are y'all's thoughts? Aren't shops big enough subjects to warrant individual pages? - <span style="background-color:darkgreen; border:8px ridge lightgreen;">'''[[User:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:white;">Shrimp</span>]][[User talk:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:black;">Pin</span>]]'''</span> 00:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :I think I agree. We've got one game to cover and we shouldn't be too worried about having pages that are very specific. There's a bit more we can cover about each shop, such as pics, location on the map, and shop name puns. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#07517C">Super</font>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#6FA23B">Hamster</font>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]]</small> 04:06, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :If someone wants to flesh out the shop sections of Booyah Base to include more information, then I could see them becoming their own pages. With the amount of content they have now they would just go back to being stubs. --[[user:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 22:25, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Literally the point of a wiki is that it's editable by anyone. The fact that a shop page was a stub yesterday doesn't mean it will be today; just put those pages on the Current Projects list and we'll get to it. There's absolutely no reason to completely remove the pages. - <span style="background-color:darkgreen; border:8px ridge lightgreen;">'''[[User:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:white;">Shrimp</span>]][[User talk:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:black;">Pin</span>]]'''</span> 22:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Image Categorization==
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| Would implementation of some kind of category tree make images easier to find? Right now everything is in one lump category and trying to look for a particular image without the filename is a pain (for example, I had to go through the [[:Category:Fairuse|fairuse category]] page by page looking for [[:File:WiiU_Splatoon_char_09.png|this image]], which I assumed had been uploaded, for the [[Super Jump]] page). Other trees I've seen include divisions by type and game, for example Category:Splatoon Artwork and Category:Splatoon Screenshots. (Of course, the division by game is superfluous right now since there's only one game in the series, but when sequels arrive it would be handy.) Any thoughts? It would be labor intensive, but potentially useful. [[User:Embyr 75|Embyr 75]] ([[User talk:Embyr 75|talk]]) 00:10, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :I added two splat zone overhead maps, and put them in the existing "stage maps" category. However, I wanted to put them into a category for the map name and the mode name (example: <nowiki>[[Category:Kelp Dome]]</nowiki> and <nowiki>[[Category:Splat Zone]]</nowiki>). I think it would be nice to build up a set of categories, but I don't know if I should just start categorizing things, or if it's better to get a consensus on what the category tree should be. I have experience categorizing data on various wiki's, but that doesn't mean I'd necessarily make the best of category trees. (Also, sentence case or title case? Same question for section headers and page titles.) [[User:Christopher Fritz|Christopher Fritz]] ([[User talk:Christopher Fritz|talk]])
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| ==Policy and minor infobox change==
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| I think the [[Inkipedia:Policy/Rumors_and_leaks|leaks policy]] should be updated to match [[Inkipedia:Ink_Pump/Archives/2#Leaked_Information|this]].
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| Also, I posted the following [[Template_talk:Infobox_mode|here]] a while back, but since, I assume, the page gets infrequent visits, here it is again:
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| The template is locked, so I'm asking for an admin to add "Instructions" under "Ranked" here. This would be for the brief descriptions of how to play the mode that appear before a match starts. For mode categories (including [[Regular Battle]] and [[Ranked Battle]]), the brief descriptions appear in [[Inkopolis Tower]] (mode selection screen) before selecting a mode, underneath the category.
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| Examples of the brief descriptions:
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| * [[Turf War]] - Ink the most turf to win!
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| * [[Regular Battle]] - Play [[Turf War]] with players all over the world.
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| * [[Splat Zones]] - Control the zones!
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| * [[Ranked Battle]] - Face off in more competitive battles.
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| Thanks. --[[User:NefariousSquid|NefariousSquid]] ([[User talk:NefariousSquid|talk]]) 03:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Splatoon website descriptions==
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| Could we add descriptions and profiles from the [http://splatoon.nintendo.com/| official Splatoon website] on character pages, Inkling page, game mode pages, Splatfest page, locations pages, weapons pages, and amiibo page? MarioWiki has done something [http://www.mariowiki.com/Category:Profiles_and_statistics| similar with profiles], and I feel this could work on Inkipedia as well. Although, we wouldn't have to make separate pages for these, because unlike Mario, Splatoon has only had one game so far. So what we could do is just add sections to whatever articles also have descriptions and profiles from the site.--[[User:UltraInkling3000|UltraInkling3000]] ([[User talk:UltraInkling3000|talk]]) 17:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :Sounds good to me. – '''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>''' 18:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Sweet, good to hear that Espyo. I'll start adding them I suppose.--[[User:UltraInkling3000|UltraInkling3000]] ([[User talk:UltraInkling3000|talk]]) 19:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Spoilers template==
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| Currently our spoilers template isn't that great. Linking to an article spoils the spoilers, and mobile users can't highlight. I made [[User:Lukey140701/Spoilers|this]], which may be better. If you would like to vote [[Template talk:Spoiler|here]] that would be cool. [[File:Inkling luke.png|50px|link=User:Lukey140701]] ([[File:Inkling talk.png|50px|link=User talk:Lukey140701]]) 16:52, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :Didn't see this before I posted a similar message. I completely agree. - <span style="background-color:darkgreen; border:8px ridge lightgreen;">'''[[User:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:white;">Shrimp</span>]][[User talk:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:black;">Pin</span>]]'''</span> 23:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Handling spam accounts/pages?==
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| How should pages like [http://splatoonwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sago123&oldid=18828 Sago123] be handled? Wipe out page and replace with <nowiki>[[Category:Spam]]</nowiki>? Is there a better idea?
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| If it was a normal page, I'd revert, but what would be the best way to alert an admin? --[[User:Christopher Fritz|Christopher Fritz]] ([[User talk:Christopher Fritz|talk]]) 11:37, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
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| :<code><nowiki>{{delete|spam}}</nowiki></code> should do the trick. [[File:Inkling luke.png|50px|link=User:Lukey140701]] ([[File:Inkling talk.png|50px|link=User talk:Lukey140701]]) 14:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Yes, please use the tag Luke said. It's the most convenient, quick, and logical way to do it. An admin will swoop by later and delete it. – '''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>''' 08:09, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Different way to handle spoilers?==
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| To be frank, the current spoiler method we employ is quite unattractive. To anyone who is unaware of what I'm talking about, any content containing "spoilers" is blocked away in beige and requires highlighting to uncover what it says. It disrupts the flow of pages and hides actual, good content from visitors. I think we should do away with this system and instead issue a small warning similar to the stub template at the top of each spoiler-y article. We shouldn't have to nanny everything people see. A spoiler warning should be good enough. Thoughts? - <span style="background-color:darkgreen; border:8px ridge lightgreen;">'''[[User:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:white;">Shrimp</span>]][[User talk:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:black;">Pin</span>]]'''</span> 23:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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| I guess it's a good idea, that's what most wikis have and it seems to work well. Personally I like what Steam does where you must mouse over blacked-out spoiler content to view it, but I guess that would be hard to implement? [[User:Calllack|Calllack]] ([[User talk:Calllack|talk]]) 13:49, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==[[Urchin Underpass]]==
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| I was wondering, how are we going to deal with the changes to Urchin Underpass. I think we should move the old page and make it "Urchin Underpass (old)" (or something like that) and make a new page for the "new" Urchin Underpass. [[User:Jer455|Jer455]] ([[User talk:Jer455|talk]]) 04:18, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :If we're splitting it, I suggest "Urchin Underpass (release)" or "Urchin Underpass (May 2015)" in anticipation of potential future changes. --[[User:Christopher Fritz|Christopher Fritz]] ([[User talk:Christopher Fritz|talk]]) 04:42, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ::I am more in favor of "Urchin Underpass (1.3.0)" or "Urchin Underpass (Initial)." --[[User:SgvSth|SgvSth]] ([[User talk:SgvSth|talk]]) 05:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :::Just a heading two section should do. No need for a split imo. [[File:Inkling luke.png|50px|link=User:Lukey140701]] ([[File:Inkling talk.png|50px|link=User talk:Lukey140701]]) 14:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::However, they are now two different maps. One is online only and the other is offline only. At the least, splitting them would give both articles the space I believe that they need. --[[User:SgvSth|SgvSth]] ([[User talk:SgvSth|talk]]) 16:13, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :::::I guess we could move the current page and name it Urchin Underpass (Initial Release) and someone could, on the locations pro, add to the end of Urchin Underpass "(Initial)" just like how on the weapons pro they have "[[Splattershot]] [[Tentatek Splattershot| (Tentatek)]]" for the basic, and the branded versions. Then we just edit the page "Urchin Underpass" so that it matches up with the current version. [[User:Jer455|Jer455]] ([[User talk:Jer455|talk]]) 18:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::::I don't think any split is necessary. Just update the current page with all the new info and move all the previous information into a section titled "Pre-August and Offline Versions" or something similar. They're all Urchin Underpass. - <span style="background-color:darkgreen; border:8px ridge lightgreen;">'''[[User:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:white;">Shrimp</span>]][[User talk:ShrimpPin|<span style="color:black;">Pin</span>]]'''</span> 20:44, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==User page creating==
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| I think you should make your user page, only if you are autoconfirmed or something. There's a lot of spam accounts being made here, and that should limit them from making a user page. Thoughts? {{User:Safyire/Sig}} 09:54, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :I think many new users like to create their userpage as one of their first edits, and I'd hate to limit that option. To combat the spam accounts, I think the best thing to do at this point is find a better way to verify that a user is human at account registration. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#07517C">Super</font>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#6FA23B">Hamster</font>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]]</small> 01:31, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :: Seconded Hamster: user page edits are fine and many treat their userpages as sandboxes, especially for first edits. I'll look into having some sort of spam fighting bot as the behaviour of these edits is pretty consistent. {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 10:41, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Isn't Splatoon's singleplayer mode called... oh, y'know, Hero Mode? Why is is called Octo Valley here?==
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| Hey, I would like someone to answer this please... why is Hero Mode called Octo Valley here? Technically yes, it takes place in Octo Valley, but that's not the singleplayer campaign is called... Anyway, I'm not trying to create a big ruckus or anything, I would just like to know why. --SkittlesBeats 00:50, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :From the [[Talk:Octo_Valley|Octo Valley talk page]], it seems that the name Hero Mode was a translation of the Japanese name used in pre-release teasers, and that Octo Valley is the official (English) name for the mode, as shown on the official website. --[[User:Kaioora|Kaioora]] ([[User talk:Kaioora|talk]]) 01:22, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :: To add to that, aside from the only mention of Hero Mode on Nintendo.com being for The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, [http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wiiu/splatoon/0/4 this Iwata Asks] has a bit from Tsubasa Sakaguchi (Director on Splatoon) on why the single-player mode was added. In Nintendo's official English translation, the quote is: "We also made a single-player mode called Octo Valley for players who had never played competitive games before and were hesitant to start right off competing online. If you play in Octo Valley for a while, you’ll learn battle techniques." --[[User:Christopher Fritz|Christopher Fritz]] ([[User talk:Christopher Fritz|talk]]) 04:43, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Cap'n Cuttlefish's Species==
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| An inkling is a squid/human hybrid. Cap'n Cuttlefish is a [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuttlefish cuttlefish]/human hybrid, therefore he is not an inkling. Cuttlefish and squid are similar, but not the same. (I learned this while searching for squids at an aquarium haha) {{unsigned|Nougatbat}}
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| :There's not really much evidence as if he is actually a cuttlefish. Sure, his name has 'Cuttlefish' in it, but no one knows if that was only meant to be a pun/similar-sounding words. {{User:Safyire/Sig}} 08:37, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ::Worthwhile reads:
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| ::[https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%AB%E3%83%A1 Wikipedia Japanese page on Surume]. The page begins with "スルメ（鯣）" or "Dried squid (cuttlefish)". At the end of that first paragraph, it says "俗語としてアタリメとも言う。" "It also called Atarime as slang." (Atarime is Cap'n Cuttlefish's Japanese name.)
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| ::Jump over to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dried_shredded_squid the English Wikipedia page], and it says: "Dried shredded squid is a dried, seasoned, seafood product, made from squid or cuttlefish, commonly found in coastal Asian countries, Russia, and Hawaii. The snack is also referred to as dried shredded cuttlefish."
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| ::I think it's not as straightforward as we'd probably like. --[[User:Christopher Fritz|Christopher Fritz]] ([[User talk:Christopher Fritz|talk]]) 15:49, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Cardigan Orphan Page==
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| [[Cardigan]] is an orphan page (or was until I just used it) and it has no need to exist.--[[User:Nougatbat|Nougatbat]] ([[User talk:Nougatbat|talk]]) 21:09, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :If you don't think it has a reason to exist, then you can just mark it for deletion. Then an admin can decide to delete it or keep it. [[User:IanMS00|IanMS00]] ([[User talk:IanMS00|talk]]) 21:38, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ::To add to that, [[:Template:Delete]] would be used to mark for deletion. --[[User:Christopher Fritz|Christopher Fritz]] ([[User talk:Christopher Fritz|talk]]) 21:40, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :::However, since it's a disambiguation page, I don't think it will be deleted. Even if it's not linked to, anyone looking for something called [[Cardigan]] in [[Splatoon]] will have their options showed to them on that page. You should probably just leave it. [[User:IanMS00|IanMS00]] ([[User talk:IanMS00|talk]]) 21:42, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ::::Agreed. Disambiguation pages should rarely be linked to in the first place, actually, and it's perfectly fine that we have orphaned ones. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#07517C">Super</font>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#6FA23B">Hamster</font>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]]</small> 23:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
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| =="He/She" Versus "They"==
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| Okay, since I'm a high schooler in honor's literature classes, I'm having a lot of grammar and formatting rules drilled into my head so I can write formally. One of the most important, and the most confusing and controversial, that I've learned are using pronouns correctly. Specifically, he, she, and they. "He", She", etc. are singular, while "they" and "their" are plural. On this wiki, this problem occurs most often when editors use the word "player" to describe a person playing the game in third person. Usually, editors will use the pronouns "they" or "their" to describe the "player" later in the sentence or article. For example, "When on a '''player's''' shoes, any time '''they''' Super Jump, the point marker indicating where '''they''' will land will not appear". However, the use of "they" in this sentence is technically incorrect, as "they" is plural, but "player" is singular. The correct sentence is "When on a '''player's''' shoes, any time '''he''' Super Jumps, the point marker indicating where '''he''' will land will not appear". This is why whenever I see this mistake in articles, I change "they" or "their" to "he" or "his". (Technically, the correct thing in this situation is to put "he or she" or "his or her", but "he" is just easier, and "he or she" sounds a bit too clunky). However, I know that this rule is for formal writing, and this wiki isn't exactly supposed to be written in formal MLA formatting. I also know that the English language has adopted the plural pronouns to be used even when the subject is singular, mainly to avoid sexism. So, basically, I ask if we should make it a point to correct these mistakes, or if we should just leave them, as most people do not care either way. [[User:IanMS00|IanMS00]] ([[User talk:IanMS00|talk]]) 02:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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| : For those who want to read up more on "they", Wikipedia has a page on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they singular they]. --[[User:Christopher Fritz|Christopher Fritz]] ([[User talk:Christopher Fritz|talk]]) 03:19, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :: I really have a strong opinion against using "he" to refer to a singular generalized person, because as you pointed out, it excludes other genders. I favour using singular they, because not only does it flow better in a sentence, it also includes ''all'' genders within it. I would rather see "they" used in this wiki instead of "he or she" or "he" (but "he or she" is still far more acceptable than "he"). [[User:Xavthedragon|<span style="color: #4B0082; font-weight: bold">XavTheDragon</span>]] [[User Talk:Xavthedragon|(talk)]] 04:45, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :::Just to clarify, "they" is traditionally used when referring to person(s) who are sexually ambiguous. As the player can be male or female, "he" is not an accurate term to encompass all players of the game. Quoting the aforementioned Wikipedia page on singular they, "Because he is no longer accepted as a generic pronoun referring to a person of either sex, it has become common in speech and in informal writing to substitute the third-person plural pronouns '''they''', them, their, and themselves, and the nonstandard singular themself." So yeah, whenever referring to the player, use "they", please. [[User:Altssul|Altssul]] ([[User talk:Altssul|talk]]) 05:05, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :::: To add to that, 'they' is used in legal text as a singular they, so the assertion that it is technically incorrect is just false. It dates back to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they#Older_usage_by_respected_authors 14th century] so grammarians that claim it is incorrect seem (at least to me) to be revolutionaries that desire change, rather than maintain the status-quo. '''TLDR: Please use 'they', not 'he'. ''' {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 10:24, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :::: Updated [[Inkipedia:Policy/Manual_of_Style#Pronouns|the policy on this]] {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 10:47, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :::::Okay, thank you everyone for clarifying that. Now it's gonna be difficult for me to remember this since I've been writing without singular "they" for so long. [[User:IanMS00|IanMS00]] ([[User talk:IanMS00|talk]]) 13:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Gear/Powerup Stubs==
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| A majority of the gear in the game (clothes/shoes) are tagged as stubs. I understand that there's not enough information, but there's not much to say about it. Like all we know about it is its name and its main powerup. Along with the powerups. All we know is its name and what it does. --[[User:Nougatbat|Nougatbat]] ([[User talk:Nougatbat|talk]]) 06:44, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :Yeah, there's a lot of stubby gear, but if you look at them you'll notice that, for the majority, it's because nobody's gotten around to describing their appearances yet. No really, I've found that's, like, the prime reason! So it's not that everyone expects there to be more information when there isn't, it's that... there is information, it just hasn't been put in yet. As an example of a complete gear page, take the [[Moto Boots]]. They've got full appearance and Ability info as well as a couple nice images, so that's a good page. No stub or image templates. The pages that have them are obviously missing one (or more) of those things. --[[User:Bzeep|<font color="#f2992e">Bzeep!</font>]][[User talk:Bzeep|<small><font color="#f7c282"> talk</font></small>]] 22:49, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==E-liter vs E-Liter Capitalization==
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| Pretty much everywhere on this wiki the E-liter weapons are capitalized as '''E-Liter''', but they are capitalized '''E-liter''' in-game (as far as I know). Which one should be used? Since we use US English for naming and spelling on the wiki, shouldn't '''E-liter''' be used? I guess this is beacause the EU/AU English versions uses the '''E-Litre''' capitalization. Can someone with a US copy of the game confirm if E-liter capitalization is always used? [[User:AmbientDinosaur|AmbientDinosaur]] ([[User talk:AmbientDinosaur|talk]]) 19:16, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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| : Went with capital L after confirmation that the US versions have a capital as we follow the American naming. {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 13:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==カンZY's Overhead Maps==
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| Does anyone feel we can make good use of the overhead maps in the three blogs posts [http://ameblo.jp/3balkan/ on this site]? Looking at the first post, there are comments of people asking if they can use them, and the owner seems very open it. My Japanese is really poor, but I can on there for permission for Inkipedia to use the maps.
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| My main thought is that the size of the maps would make them difficult to make good use on the stage pages, but if each stage page had a separate page for each mode (for strategy information), there'd be plenty of room to make good use of them there. It also helps to have before and after images when layout on the changes in the map before and after an update.
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| The only downside I can see is the situation where we use these, and then カンZY doesn't make any for new maps and later changes.
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| Thoughts? --[[User:Christopher Fritz|Christopher Fritz]] ([[User talk:Christopher Fritz|talk]]) 00:55, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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| : Looks good, but get permission first or cite the source! {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 13:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
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| == Title casing ==
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| Decision needs adding to the [[Inkipedia:Policy/Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]. Are we using title case for all articles or sentence case? I think the overwhelming unwritten rule at the moment is title case. I assume this should also include articles that include parentheses such as [[Recon (Mode)]] rather than [[Recon (mode)]]. {{User:Kjhf/Sig}} 13:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Image Resource==
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| Hey guys, I don't know which, if any, of these images would be useful to you but this seems like a pretty good resource: [https://www.flickr.com/photos/25792657@N00/sets/72157652013513930 GoNintendo's Splatoon Flickr Album]. [[User:Embyr 75|Embyr 75]] ([[User talk:Embyr 75|talk]]) 17:37, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
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| :There are some really cool images in there, but I think most of them are already in use. They're all big and high quality though, maybe there's some that can replace any small or low-quality versions we got here. --[[User:Bzeep|<font color="#f2992e">Bzeep!</font>]][[User talk:Bzeep|<small><font color="#f7c282"> talk</font></small>]] 17:57, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Inkpedia Contest==
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| We have the barnsquids and we probably could do one, so should we make one? [[User:Chriscoded|Chriscoded]] ([[User talk:Chriscoded|talk]])
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| :Sounds like a nice thing to do in the future! There's nothing really stopping us [[User:AmbientDinosaur|AmbientDinosaur]] ([[User talk:AmbientDinosaur|talk]]) 01:52, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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| ==Standardizing "Name in other languages" sections==
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| Hey I would like to standardize the "Name in other languages" sections a bit.
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| I think a translated version of the name always should be included, and then include an explanation of the parts of the name or other facts (like puns, references and so on).
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| For example:
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| ===Names in other languages===
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| |Spa=Complejo Medusa
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| |SpaM=Jellyfish Complex. From ''complejo de edificios'' (building complex) and ''medusa'' (jellyfish)
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| Exceptions should be if the name is literally the same in both english and the other language (like the N-ZAP, which only has slightly different formatting of the name). In those cases only an explanation should do. Also, if more than one language has the same name, the explanation should be used for the first language and the rest can simply use "Same as ''(first language)''.
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| However, a translation should still be given even if the translation turns out be the same as the english name in that language.
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| For example:
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| |Jap=カーボンローラー
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| |JapR=kābon rōrā
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| |JapM=Carbon Roller. The "Carbon" part refers to fact it is a Roller made out of carbon fiber. Same as English name.
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| |FreA=Rouleau carbone
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| |FreAM=Carbon Roller. Same as English name.
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| [[User:AmbientDinosaur|AmbientDinosaur]] ([[User talk:AmbientDinosaur|talk]]) 02:40, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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