Talk:Ink Another Day

I hate to be so detail oriented, but Ryan and Kagi are absent from the song entirely. Kabii (talk) 09:07, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks  KA467 🗩 🖿  17:51, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Is the Grand Festival version based off Ink Another Day or Party's Over in particular?

As I've said in my initial edit, I would have liked to label it as a version of Party's over, but found no "smoking gun" of anything it takes from Party's Over that isn't also in Ink Another Day. In fact, the vocals are more similar to Ink Another Day than to Party's Over, given that they don't have the reverb. As such, it seems likely to me that, musically at least, the song was based on Ink Another Day, rather than Party's Over.

@Olivia mentioned that the song is obviously Party's Over in an edit, and I'd like to also get her explanation for if this has any musical basis (I'm not an expert and might have missed something), or if it's because it's used in a Splatfest. So the list of points for each name would be:

Ink Another Day

• The new song doesn't take anything from Party's Over in particular
• In fact, the reverb from Party's over is gone again. If we do choose to keep it as Party's Over, that is something that should be noted in the description.

Party's Over

• It's used in the same place as Party's Over (Splatfest Battles)
• It forms a pattern with Fest Zest pretty inarguably being the base for the Team Present win theme

I'm not sure to which extent we should use usage over the song itself when it comes to labeling this new song. My feeling is to prioritize the song itself (because that's the musical lineage), but an argument can be made to assume that it's still meant to be based on Party's Over. UnderFlorence (talk) 09:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Listen carefully to the beginning of the grandfest version, under the new intro is the original version of party's over. immediately after the vocals you can hear the original too. Olivia (talk) 09:35, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

By the new intro, do you mean the percussive fill in the very beginning? I don't hear anything else in there. Or do you mean the part afterwards, when the song proper starts? And for after the vocals, which part of the song do you mean? The bass line is playing something more like Inkopolis News (Off the Hook) (which wasn't in either Ink Another Day or Party's Over), there's a synth that's (I think) used in other OtH tracks but doesn't seem to be in either Ink Another Day or Party's Over, and the orchestral hits at the very end which are also in neither of the originals, I believe. The drum pattern might be a little closer to Party's Over than Ink Another Day, but even then it's not an exact match to Party's Over either - plus the actual drums used seem very different, and Party's Over has the drums give a very heavy emphasis to 2 and 4 that doesn't really exist the same in the Grand Festival version.

Also, what do you mean by "under"? Does it directly sample Party's Over, or do you mean it uses the same instruments, or do you mean it plays the same melody? Also, can you maybe use time stamps for clarity? (like "0:12 in the Grand Festival version uses (aspect X) from 0:11 in Party's Over", for instance). UnderFlorence (talk) 10:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

After talking it over in the Discord, that "smoking gun" I was looking for (because I do want it to be Party's Over and think that's likely the intent) is that the beginning of the vocals (before the reverb comes in) is filtered identically to Party's Over (but differently from Ink Another Day). So with this information, I'm happy to keep it as a version of Party's Over. Also I noticed the distorted guitar riffs (at least I think that's what those are), which I think is what you were referring to with "under"?

However, in your edit you also made the following change: you say that the beginning of the new GrandFest song is "the beginning from Party's Over with the original drums removed", but I'm not sure if that's more accurate than how it used to be? The distorted guitar riffs and the vocals are still there (albeit with the vocals no longer having reverb applied), but the original Party's Over also has a bass line that is absent from the new version. As such, I think mentioning the vocals (and them losing the reverb) and the distorted guitar riffs being taken from the original is likely to be more accurate, as well as a good way to directly point out what is similar to the original (rather than only what is changed). UnderFlorence (talk) 11:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't sure if it was accurate either, and I don't really know what to replace it with. Olivia (talk) 11:24, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I think the version that I changed it to is a good middle ground, where it points out which parts of the original were kept, and which parts are completely new. This also has the added upside of constructing a full profile of instruments that are used in that part. UnderFlorence (talk) 11:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, good. Olivia (talk) 12:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)