Talk:Shiver

Do we have a source for Shiver's gender? Let's not make twitter claims from randoms the factual basis for the character Pinkolol16 (talk) 05:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

The person who’s changing it is a VANDAL and must be blocked. I have already left a message on Shahar’s talk page and on the Inkipedia discord. OrderSquid38 (talk) 05:59, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Gender

All, please stop accusing good-faith editors as vandals. Admins are not going to block editors who are acting in good-faith.

We should cite our sources, yes the "obvious" included. One viewpoint is not the only viewpoint, for example it is not obvious that Shiver is female as their white top is a bandage which would indicate transmasc. In future, please start a discussion on Discord or on the talkpage.

We may want to move to using "Pronouns" instead of "Gender" on character infoboxes.

Regardless, I have yet to see any pronouns for Shiver in any material, and until we have a good citation, I do not want Inkipedia to confirm a gender (and be wrong) Slate Talk Contribs 11:03, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

I’m fairly certain that Shiver is female. Most fans have called her "she" and "her", and her Spanish name is "Megan". Nintendo hasn’t explicitly confirmed this yet, but I do believe she’s female. WolfTamer File:S2 Icon Callie 3.png 11:52, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Understood, however the French localization uses "Pasquale" which is masculine, rather than "Pasquala" which would indicate feminine. So it appears that we cannot infer from the localizations either. Let's wait until we have confirmation from a Nintendo source. Slate Talk Contribs 12:07, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

I think it would be alright to get rid of the 'gender' section in the infoboxes, but I don't think it should be replaced with a section for pronouns because they can already be seen from their use in the article.  GX_64 (talk)  12:14, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

If other users would like a pronoun section to be added I am completely fine with it, I just think it is a little bit redundant since the pronouns are already there  GX_64 (talk)  14:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Pronouns would work!! It is important to know that pronouns don’t equal gender so I feel like we should have both gender and pronouns (ex. Marina, Gender: female Pronouns: She/her) I would also like to say that we NEED to leave Shiver’s pronouns as they/them and gender as unspecified because in most languages (besides french) there is no words that indicate a specific gender!! (Question though are the masculine terms in french used when you don’t know someone’s gender? From what I know I don’t think the language has a lot of gender neutral terms) But when we get the pronouns and gender we can change it!! Just because the past idols have been female DOESN’T MEAN SHIVER IS!! So guys please don’t change their gender and pronouns to female and she/her!! We can do that if they are confirmed female!! Oddlildude (talk)File:AnemoneNo1.jpeg 02:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Theory on gender

I think that Shiver is female because of her eyebrows. It is (probably) well-known that female and male octolings have different eyes, with the female ones having a point at the bottom outer corner. If you look at any example of octolings, you can also see that the female ones universally (as far as I've seen) have shorter eyebrows. This has led me to conjecture that the smaller eyebrows indicate female, (it also applies to inklings), and therefore Shiver is female. Just a theory though. Wilh3lm (talk) 00:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

As much as I believe Shiver is female, we do not have any evidence from Nintendo that she is. OrderSquid38 (talk) 00:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Eyebrows don’t really indicate gender. Yes, the octolings and inklings did do that in the first two games but now you can customize the eyebrows!! So now a boy inkling can have small eyebrows and a girl inkling can have thick eyebrows!! In real life you don’t walk up to someone and say they are a boy because of their eyebrows!! (I’m very sorry if I came off rude!! I understand where you’re coming from a little bit but I wanna let ya know this!!) Oddlildude (talk)File:AnemoneNo1.jpeg 03:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Can we lock the page?

Someone keeps changing shiver’s gender to female and pronouns to she/her so can we please lock the page if possible and have an admin or bureaucrat edit it so they/them is used and the gender is set as Unspecified?? Oddlildude (talk)File:AnemoneNo1.jpeg 03:14, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

My edits are in good faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShiverisFemale (talk • contribs) 03:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

• Whether good faith or not; this has become disruptive as well as spurning some negative behavior from other as a result. It is counterproductive to be in a cycle of people reverting each other. Disagreements should be respectfully discussed and settled through reaching some kind of consensus. In this case, we already had a sysop come along and place a comment stating to not change the text in the infobox until we had a credible source cited. And regardless of the infobox or whatever the factually accurate answer for that is, there was no justification given for removing the section of the article documenting the notably unusual manner that this character has been described to us.
  Until everyone can be respectful and productive, the page should be protected. —Ikaheishi (talk) 04:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)