Inkipedia:Ink Pump

The Ink Pump

Welcome to the Ink Pump. Similar to Wikipedia's Village Pump, the Ink Pump serves as a general place for the Inkipedia community to discuss the wiki as a whole, whether it be ideas, proposals, technical issues, or notices.

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Splatfest Images

I think it would be good if someone can get images from the night stages and inkopolis plaza as well as the squid sisters for their appearances during splatfest. I don't know how to get the pictures, so if someone could, that'd be great.Vernanonix (talk) 15:10, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

The easiest way to capture pictures is to press the Home button when something you want to capture is on either the TV or gamepad, then use the Internet browser and upload the picture to a image-hosting site of your choice. I use Google Drive. I captured images of the three stages and took like two pics of the plaza... I uploaded one of them and can upload the other one now I suppose. --sunmarsh (talk) 17:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

IRC Channel

Hi everyone! First of all, I'd like to congratulate Inkipedia on becoming a member of NIWA. It's great to see that organization grow and have another wiki as an addition. A lot of the NIWA wikis have IRC channels - for those who don't know, an IRC channel is a chatroom where members can communicate real-time, similar to the Skype setup you guys have now. The reason why I'm suggesting an IRC channel is because it's an option that has a lot more features and allows the Inkipedia staff more control over what happens; there's also no need for an invite process, as a chatbox can be put up on one of the pages here and any Inkipedia visitor can join. If an invite system is necessary, there are options for that as well in an IRC channel. The other great thing is that IRC channels are located on a network - I run an IRC network called StarNet, which is already a home to some Nintendo-related websites (namely, the Super Mario Bros. X project). Users from multiple channels on a network can join other channels and communicate with eachother, which allows every community involved to gain new members and grow. Just thought I'd post this here in case you all are interested. Feel free to drop me a line on my talk page, send me an email, or visit the StarNet website. (edit: I totally forgot to sign this, sorry) - Zarpho (talk) 22:19, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea. The reason we currently use Skype is because it's easy for users who aren't currently in the chat to read it once they get on and catch up with everything that's been discussed. What does everyone else think? - ShrimpPin 22:11, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

There are ways to implement features that can allow users to see what has happened before they've joined as well. Zarpho (talk) 01:01, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

people still use IRC? :P Honestly, while I'm sure it would have its benefits, I feel like it's a thing most people aren't familiar with (due to the fact it is a bit dated) and is just an additional thing to learn how to use to be able to participate in the community discussion – which I do think may dissuade people. I don't have an IRC client installed and wouldn't want to get one just for Inkipedia – and keeping a mibbit-powered tab open at all times isn't really practical either. I like how on Skype we can see past messages to catch up on what we missed, too! –Eli (talk) 03:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

While IRC does have a lot more features, some of which that can take longer to learn how to use, in terms of jumping in and chatting it's actually as simple as opening a page and choosing a nickname, and it doesn't involve the invite process or installing Skype. Clients like IRCCloud allow viewing scrollback. Zarpho (talk) 01:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Fully support IRC - the API is open unlike Skype which is Microsoft proprietary and needs developer setup. That means programmers can have bots that can play games or report useful information. Also has a much more intuitive permissions system. And we can do a public link and have people moderate the chat. I'd be willing to set this up / register. Big thumbs up from me. User:Kjhf/Sig 23:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I support IRC too. Like Eli said, I don't want to grab one software so I can use it for one thing. (in my case Skype) It's way faster to join a chat and way less of a resource hog among other things compared to Skype. (depending on the client of course) If people don't want to use IRC, we could look into Slack too, it's closer to Skype and registering is easy. PPLToast (talk) 05:21, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Happy to see you guys are interested. If you do end up setting up a channel, feel free to send me a message (I'm usually on IRC as 'Joey' instead of Zarpho) and I'll help you guys out if necessary. Zarpho (talk) 12:40, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Writing

Do you guys think there's any merit in trying to decipher the writing written around the plaza? Right now, we do have some confirmed words in Cat, Dog, Pop, and Rock which can be seen on Splatfest t-shirts. Think it's worth making an article on?Vernanonix (talk) 16:18, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I think it's been discovered that it's all basically gibberish, except for a few key words like you mentioned (unless it's a more difficult language, closer to Japanese which has a lot more than 26 characters). - ShrimpPin 22:13, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

We have Inkling (language) if you'd like to add any notes =) User:Kjhf/Sig 23:10, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Also, I'm not sure where our current article gets its info from, but this thread on Squidboards is a treasure trove of info. --sunmarsh (talk) 17:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Inkipedia Patreon/Shop?

In order to help cover hosting costs and any future prizes we're planning (wink), it would be nice to have an Inkipedia bank to draw funds from. Ideas have been thrown around including a Patreon for people to directly donate to, and a shop with unique Inkipedia merchandise. What are y'all's thoughts? - ShrimpPin 00:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I think the Patreon idea is good. Thesquidsisters (talk) 00:09, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Ditto for me! great idea - spencer (talk)

Before I make a decision and state my thoughts on the matter, I would like to ask: What merchandise would we be able to create and sell within a possible shop? --SgvSth (talk) 04:00, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I can't see us being legally able to sell any merchandise with Nintendo content on it. I could see us selling merchandise with just the Inkipedia logo text on it, or maybe some fun phrases ("Squid or a kid"...hah). ~SuperHamster Talk 18:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Which was what my issue was. Even the Inkipedia logo might run into issues due to the squid potentially being a trademark of Nintendo. I do not like the Paypal idea below, but the Patreon idea might work out along with possibly having an ad system on the site. --SgvSth (talk) 02:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

If possible I'd prefer donating to a paypal account to avoid fees associated with a middleman website. Also as far as merch goes I think that the squid eyes (+mouth?) in silhouette would look cool on a tee (or a cap, if that's possible...). Ooh, or a tee with an ink splatter pattern all over it (not just the front or back).--sunmarsh (talk) 00:17, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

I am 500% not okay with the idea of selling Nintendo-related content, by the way. It's copyrighted stuff. Us doing what we do for fun is one thing, but the second money starts coming into the picture, we start treading on thin ice. – Espyo^T 07:59, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Feature Requests

Hey, so while using this wiki, I notice two things:

1. Special:Upload has no option to upload images by URL.

2. Special:RecentChanges has no Who's Online feature so you can see what users are online.

Could it be possible to implement these to this wiki? Since I'm so familiar with the other NIWA Wiki I first came from (MarioWiki) that has both of these features, I don't think it'd be too out of the question to add. Unless this wiki runs on a different version of MediaWiki or something, I think this could be arranged. UltraInkling3000 (talk) 13:26, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Upload by URL is a bit traitorous, as people can upload other's work without giving it a second thought, given how easy it is. I'll speak to Prod about it. The list of people who are online is a good idea, yes. I wonder why it's not there by default. – Espyo^T 08:03, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

1. Upload by url is currently sysop only. It's up to the community if that needs to be changed.
2. From a quick check of the code to Extension:WhosOnline, it does a database commit on every view, and users are marked "online" for an hour after a page view. This seems like it would cause quite a bit of load on the database. Based on analytics, the average user stays on the website for about 5 minutes. How much is this feature used?

-- Prod (talk) 02:49, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

If the online user list puts a large strain on the server, I don't think it's necessary enough to implement. I suppose it's useful to see who's online in the event we want to contact someone (particularly admins), but I don't think that's too much in demand. Also concerned about users' privacy, if someone doesn't want to be seen as online. ~SuperHamster Talk 02:58, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Youch. Yeah, if it's heavy, never mind. – Espyo^T 08:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Navigation

Could Stages be added to the front page navigation so its easier to find? I don't like digging thorugh a bunch of articles to find the index for them. redactedjpg

Done. User:Kjhf/Sig 22:08, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Revised Ink Colors

I wanted to provide some colors that are a bit more accurate to the Ink colors used in Splatoon on the Wiki, as shown here. Also, Redirect pages don't seem to work properly. Superjustinbros (talk) 14:30, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

On the bit about redirects, here is how the redirect should be formatted to work. The page that users will be directed to needs brackets around it and both it and the redirect code needs to be connected with a colon. --SgvSth (talk) 14:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

OCD note - the colon is not necessary but if you're going to use it, it should go inside the link. The colon denotes a namespace (Template:, File: etc.) and the main namespace (Main) is signified as :Article. For example, [[Main Page]]s --> Main Page and [[:Main Page]] --> Main Page are the same but :Main Page is "append a colon to the front of the link that goes to the Main Page".

The correct way to form a redirect is

#REDIRECT [[Target]] or

#REDIRECT [[:Target]] or

#REDIRECT [[Target#Section]]

Ink colours look good! User:Kjhf/Sig 18:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Skype group link

I know this might be obsolete soon with the IRC channel proposal going through, but I think that the Skype group should at least have a skype:?chat&blob= link to allow people to join the chat, instead of having users request to be added instead. It would be a safer then waiting for a sysop to remove usernames and summaries from the edit history. Also, it would be more convenient. In the Skype group settings, checking the "Allow people to join this group" box gives the group a link. Using that link in Skype allows a user to join the group. InkTempest (talk) 02:35, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

You're saying it's safer, but it's quite the opposite, it's quicker but you could get anons who could click it. () 13:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I thought anons were supposed to be included? Anyway, I think anons could just join IRC chat anyway so nothing really changes. InkTempest (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Instant Messaging Comparison

If we're thinking about moving from Skye, then I and Espyo thought we should have a comparison between software before we make a decision. Please add any more reasons you can think of to the table. User:Kjhf/Sig 16:34, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Vote: here
Join Slack: here

Comparison between IM software

Comparison summary	Comparison description	Skype (Current)	Slack	IRC
Registration	Does the system allow unregistered users?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Bots	Does the system allow bot development?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Custom commands	Does the system have support for custom commands?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Desktop notifications	Does the system notify on messages and allow customisation of these notifications?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Emoticons	Does the system support emoticons, emojis, and disabling of them?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
File transfer	Does the system allow easy file transfers including showing of images?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Formatting	Does the system allow formatting of chat?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Integration with other IMs and streams	Can the system integrate with other communication systems?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Integration with webpage	Can we embed or stream the chat to and from Inkipedia?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Moderation	Does the system allow moderation of the chat?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Personal information	Does the system respect your privacy? Can you be anonymous?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Separate chats	Does the system allow for alternate rooms for different topics or group conversations?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Spelling and autocompletion	Does the system allow for spelling and autocompletion?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
System load	Is the application light on system memory?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Who's online	Does the system show who is currently online?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Voice Chat	Does the system allow voice chats and calls?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style
Paid Plans	Does the system have a paid plan that allows better functionality?	Template:Style	Template:Style	Template:Style

I'm all for Slack. User:Kjhf/Sig 16:34, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

ditto here - spencer (talk) also strawpoll

The thing about Slack is that it only has certain features unless you pay for it. It's also a nonstandard means of communication, especially among similar communities. What Skype and IRC both do better is that they have a huge group of people that already use them, making connections between users of different places really easy. One IRC client will give you access to hundreds of networks with tens of thousands of people; I could give a list of just the Nintendo-related websites that use IRC and it'd be too long! IRC is familiar to your target audience, and I think it'd be the best option in terms of helping Inkipedia grow while also being a solid way to communicate. Zarpho (talk) 03:42, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Voted for Slack. I personally wouldn't want to use IRC or Skype for Inkipedia chat. --NefariousSquid (talk) 05:01, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

What's up with all this content merging?

I don't understand why we're trying to condense everything. I 100% believe that shops need their own pages, so it really doesn't make sense to me for them all to simply be a sentence on Booyah Base... What are y'all's thoughts? Aren't shops big enough subjects to warrant individual pages? - ShrimpPin 00:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I think I agree. We've got one game to cover and we shouldn't be too worried about having pages that are very specific. There's a bit more we can cover about each shop, such as pics, location on the map, and shop name puns. ~SuperHamster Talk 04:06, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

If someone wants to flesh out the shop sections of Booyah Base to include more information, then I could see them becoming their own pages. With the amount of content they have now they would just go back to being stubs. --sunmarsh (talk) 22:25, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Literally the point of a wiki is that it's editable by anyone. The fact that a shop page was a stub yesterday doesn't mean it will be today; just put those pages on the Current Projects list and we'll get to it. There's absolutely no reason to completely remove the pages. - ShrimpPin 22:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Image Categorization

Would implementation of some kind of category tree make images easier to find? Right now everything is in one lump category and trying to look for a particular image without the filename is a pain (for example, I had to go through the fairuse category page by page looking for this image, which I assumed had been uploaded, for the Super Jump page). Other trees I've seen include divisions by type and game, for example Category:Splatoon Artwork and Category:Splatoon Screenshots. (Of course, the division by game is superfluous right now since there's only one game in the series, but when sequels arrive it would be handy.) Any thoughts? It would be labor intensive, but potentially useful. Embyr 75 (talk) 00:10, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I added two splat zone overhead maps, and put them in the existing "stage maps" category. However, I wanted to put them into a category for the map name and the mode name (example: [[Category:Kelp Dome]] and [[Category:Splat Zone]]). I think it would be nice to build up a set of categories, but I don't know if I should just start categorizing things, or if it's better to get a consensus on what the category tree should be. I have experience categorizing data on various wiki's, but that doesn't mean I'd necessarily make the best of category trees. (Also, sentence case or title case? Same question for section headers and page titles.) Christopher Fritz (talk)

Policy and minor infobox change

I think the leaks policy should be updated to match this.

Also, I posted the following here a while back, but since, I assume, the page gets infrequent visits, here it is again:

The template is locked, so I'm asking for an admin to add "Instructions" under "Ranked" here. This would be for the brief descriptions of how to play the mode that appear before a match starts. For mode categories (including Regular Battle and Ranked Battle), the brief descriptions appear in Inkopolis Tower (mode selection screen) before selecting a mode, underneath the category.

Examples of the brief descriptions:

• Turf War - Ink the most turf to win!
• Regular Battle - Play Turf War with players all over the world.
• Splat Zones - Control the zones!
• Ranked Battle - Face off in more competitive battles.

Thanks. --NefariousSquid (talk) 03:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Splatoon website descriptions

Could we add descriptions and profiles from the official Splatoon website on character pages, Inkling page, game mode pages, Splatfest page, locations pages, weapons pages, and amiibo page? MarioWiki has done something similar with profiles, and I feel this could work on Inkipedia as well. Although, we wouldn't have to make separate pages for these, because unlike Mario, Splatoon has only had one game so far. So what we could do is just add sections to whatever articles also have descriptions and profiles from the site.--UltraInkling3000 (talk) 17:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. – Espyo^T 18:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Sweet, good to hear that Espyo. I'll start adding them I suppose.--UltraInkling3000 (talk) 19:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Spoilers template

Currently our spoilers template isn't that great. Linking to an article spoils the spoilers, and mobile users can't highlight. I made this, which may be better. If you would like to vote here that would be cool. () 16:52, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Didn't see this before I posted a similar message. I completely agree. - ShrimpPin 23:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Handling spam accounts/pages?

How should pages like Sago123 be handled? Wipe out page and replace with [[Category:Spam]]? Is there a better idea?

If it was a normal page, I'd revert, but what would be the best way to alert an admin? --Christopher Fritz (talk) 11:37, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

{{delete|spam}} should do the trick. () 14:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, please use the tag Luke said. It's the most convenient, quick, and logical way to do it. An admin will swoop by later and delete it. – Espyo^T 08:09, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Different way to handle spoilers?

To be frank, the current spoiler method we employ is quite unattractive. To anyone who is unaware of what I'm talking about, any content containing "spoilers" is blocked away in beige and requires highlighting to uncover what it says. It disrupts the flow of pages and hides actual, good content from visitors. I think we should do away with this system and instead issue a small warning similar to the stub template at the top of each spoiler-y article. We shouldn't have to nanny everything people see. A spoiler warning should be good enough. Thoughts? - ShrimpPin 23:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

I guess it's a good idea, that's what most wikis have and it seems to work well. Personally I like what Steam does where you must mouse over blacked-out spoiler content to view it, but I guess that would be hard to implement? Calllack (talk) 13:49, 5 August 2015 (UTC)