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Establishing User Content Policy

I've been mulling this over for awhile now, but I believe now it is time to act: There is a lot of user-only content on Inkipedia. More specifically, there is a subsection of users that are using the platform more as a social platform or a fanon-driven sandbox than are actually developing the site and the important mainspace content. This doesn't fall in our scope, nor does it make sense in the broader sense of the platform to host these projects as they exist themselves. A bulk of the issue stems around the high volume of user images, although not exclusively. I propose that we push the site into a new direction, with one of the following three outcomes:

  • (1) Establish a formal limit for personal content per user. The specific details of this can be established more specifically if people opt for this answer, although I suggest 10 files plus signature materials. This is the format near all affiliate NIWA wikis opt to use. (For example, WiKirby allows five files per user)
  • (2) Expand/revitalize the 'Blog:' namespace to be supportive of Fanon content, establishing specific rules and guidelines on how those posts are made, managed, and maintained. User pages that meet the criteria would be integrated into this space. As an example, Fallout Wiki has an independent namespace for user projects and content.
  • (3) Create a completely separate Fanon/social wiki space akin to Pikmin Fanon and the Fanon Wiki network.

Alternatively, we could do nothing, or, if someone else has a better suggestion, could be used instead. There could also be a hybrid of the options above. The long term goal is to encourage mainspace editing, and—with multiple users having 30% or fewer edits for the wiki compared to their user pages—it appears this is not the focus. This is a good way to get back on track to content based edits.
This is not supposed to be a specific attack on any one user, nor is it saying that the work being done has no value, however I believe it is time to evaluate its purpose on Inkipedia itself and where it should possibly move. Please feel free to vote or offer suggestions/responses below. Trig Jegman - 19:18, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Option 1 definitely seems to be the most drastic, with many user pages and sandboxes consisting of many more than 10 images, however, it would also get the job done very well if your goal is to reduce the amount of user-only content on the wiki (which I’m assuming is the goal). Option 2 is my personal favorite. Bringing back the “Blog:” namespace is long overdue and it is definitely the least harsh option on here. Option 3 is a little confusing if I’m being completely honest. Like, I understand the point, but, why would we pick this option over the other two? It’s outclassed in both ways because it accomplishes neither of the goals as well as the other two. Thank you for listening to my TED talk, and have a great rest of your day! S3 Weapon Sub Burst Bomb Flat.png Jacobearth • chit-chat S3 Weapon Main Splattershot Jr. Flat.png S3 Weapon Main Classic Squiffer Flat.png 21:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Option 1 would be best; Option 3 is decent, but the creation of a fanon wiki isn't Inkipedia's business. I don't think it'd be fair to the bureaucrats to have them host and/or manage a separate looser wiki unless it's something they're on board with.
I strongly agree that this is an issue that needs to be addressed. Often I'll see users repeatedly make very long edits detailing the stories they have for their Splatoon OCs, or things like their extensive opinions about various Splatoon lore/updates/popular interpretations, to the point the amount of content on those userpages is better suited for a personal website (or, as you proposed, a separate fanon style wiki). I think restricting the amount of user images allowed per user in addition to the permitted length a user page can reach would help keep Inkipedia tidier, while encouraging new users to not turn their pages into what is essentially their own webpage, fully removed from being related to editing Inkipedia.
Wikipedia's policy on the matter is perhaps too strict for a videogame encyclopedia's standards, but worth consulting in the process of addressing this. I am personally very disheartened every time I see massive edits to userpages when I check Recent Changes. Inkipedia is not a host for people's opinions.
Option 2 is interesting and worth considering, but I fear allowing users to create blog posts (even within guidelines) would further enable the types of users that focus on editing their userpages to continue posting unrelated content. The best use of the blog namespace on other wikis I've seen have been blogposts regarding massive updates being made to the related wiki or wiki software, rather than being directly related to the content the wiki covers. I fear ushering the current unusual use of userpages towards the blog namespace might devolve into the style of Fandom wikis' talk board pages, which are notoriously full of users posting whatever's on their mind, wiki related or not. Yoshifan52 (talk) 22:24, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reminds me of the SmashWiki's probation thing, which I think should be somewhat implemented here in order to encourage mainspace edits. — Exaskliri (they/them) (talk | contribs) 22:51, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The only things that concern me are Options 2 & 3, as the former I'm wondering if the blogs will be protected from spam changes/reviews, as I'm very protective of my Fanon and don't want to see it discriminated. For the latter, I agree with some comments about it. This wiki is more organized and filled to the brim with official info to research on, while Fandom wikis, I feel, are a goldmine for spammy users and fan-generated content some might be uncomfortable with of disagree to. Yes, my Canon Sandbox is "so" dang big, as I may plan on dividing it into parts. The current one becoming the introduction to the world, battle rules and Splatfests. While the characters and story parts will become individual sub-pages (as they take up the bulk of my Sandbox now...), and have links to them in the former page. OR, as Yoshifan52 said, make some sort of form or private website to contain that content and have a link to it on my User page. But right now, I don't have the time, money "and" tech to do it yet, as I'm busy with irl stuff (finding a comfortable job, house chores, etc.) AND grinding in Splatoon 3 on the daily.
PS; I apologize that most my recent edits here were in userspace. I haven't had the time to add new info to mainspace or it has already been added. Sincerely, P.J. GT(talk)SSBU Inkling Boy.png 23:47, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You have edited your userpage almost 900 times; this, combined with the amount of content on it, is the exact kind of userspace editing behavior I think should no longer be allowed. Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:13, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mean to be subjective and begin an argument, but are you mentioning my user page or my Sandbox about the amount of edits? If its the latter, I can agree and possibly plan on either dividing its content into separate sandboxes or copy it into a private website or Google Form when I aquire my preferred tools to do it. P.J. GT(talk)SSBU Inkling Boy.png 00:20, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your userpage's statistics page (not the sandboxes') says there have been 841 edits made to it, the vast majority of which were made by you. That is an extremely high number of userspace edits. Your main sandbox page has been edited 743 times, and its contents seem to be an extension of your userpage, rather than a proper sandbox; it is full of fanon information rather than tests of wiki features or prototypes of mainspace articles. Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:45, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Yoshifan52; That may be because of my system of updating my game stats weekly (Might change it to seasonal rn), grammar/spelling fixes, removal of might-be offensive content and my Splatfest/Big Run results. So should I ditch my ongoing Weapon Ideas table and delete it and trim-down some stuff? Also, this may be off topic but, should I split my Sandbox Page to separate Sandboxes each for an Intro/details, Characters, and Story pages respectively, or copy it over to a Google Dock/Drive or a private website? I'd be glad to have some help with that. Sincerely, P.J. GT(talk)SSBU Inkling Boy.png 02:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I like the probation idea mentioned by Exaskliri. I like option 1. I don't think option 2 or 3 would help. So, I want to go with some combination of option 1 and SmashWiki's probation process. Heddy (talk) 23:52, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm in a similar mind, though I don't feel strongly for implementing a Probation-like policy. User image limit, yes. As noted, I don't really have additional energy to start/maintain a fanon wiki. I do think we need some policies that says what Inkipedia is not, and some guidelines on userspaces in a slightly more lenient way to the Wikipedia policy linked above. A quick reminder that you can filter out userspace edits from the recent changes (though obviously this can't be done for patrolling edits). Slate Talk Contribs 00:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would a decision here be made by a vote or a consensus? (As a side note, a personal image limit would be good, but maybe we could make a template for things like splatfests? Perhaps something like the translation template, where you can't click on the flags, but it still has the image? We could change out the flags for the splatfest icons, and we could have different parameters be options of [just going off what I see on other's pages] a personal choice, a synopsis, and stats? Just spitballing). Xando (ping) 21:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There would need to be a consensus for any major change, per the consensus policy. Heddy (talk) 00:57, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I like option 1 the most, I'd need a better explanation of what further guidelines other than limiting the number of files you can upload. I think the discord lately has been very focused on community matters than wiki matters so any socials can go there or to any other social media/blog/forum website. Shahar (talk) 14:19, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I love option 1. Mostly just because I feel like I have too much userspace stuff. I end up using the time I have to edit that, anyway, so that should be limited. (Basically, I'm an amazing example of being too immersed in my userspace edits. :,) ) Arivaki-Kun S2 Gear Headgear Golden Toothpick.png JPTGoldDynamoRoller.png S3 Badge Classic Squiffer 5.png (banter) 18:35, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]