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Spoiler tag

Shouldn't we, like, RETURN the spoiler tags for splatoon 3 rotm pages?? Greasy Hot Dog (talk) 14:33, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, we've had that thought ourselves, personally. At the very least we should try to make some of these articles a bit more spoiler-friendly. Compare Telephone showing the Telephone in the infobox with his true form as Tartar in the Gallery. There's no quote at all on his article, but all mentions of his true role as Tartar are off-handed in the article opening with no real further elaborations outside the actual body of the article. Contrast that with Mr. Grizz, and... Spoiler with his true appearance in the infobox, quote that actively comes from before his final boss fight, yet no mention of his role in Splatoon 3 outside of him simply returning? When you have his quote about breaking squidkind as a quote, you'd think the actual opening paragraph would drop all pretense too, but that's where it relents, we guess. While the problem of spoilers becomes less and less pronounced (at least until the holiday season hits) as more and more day one players finally beat Return of the Mammalians, it's still quite a concern just because the current state of some of these articles is incredibly clunky, due in part for trying to include details that are considered high spoilers. ~Camwoodstock & Tori! (talk) 19:50, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, especially for new players like myself

Dry Paper Hammer Bro (talk) 19:45, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Bytes

Im new to this wiki so i was wondering what these "Bytes" we have are? Im seeing them next to peoples names on the edit history tab and im not sure what they are nor is there any information online, so if someone could tell me what they are then that would be great Barracuda (talk) 19:39, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Bytes are an amount of data. On Inkipedia it roughly means the amount of characters (letters and symbols) in the page. The one in the brackets to the right of it with either a + or - is the difference in the amount of bytes in the revision compared to the previous one.  GX_64 (talk)  02:31, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

To be more exact, it's how many bytes were added to/removed from the page after said revision. For exmaple, if you were to change a ten-letter word into another ten-letter word and nothing else, it would say (0) because the page ended up being the same amount of bytes as before your edit.

 ♥ #6-Frisk   ‍  19:43, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Ah, that makes a lot of sense, thanks for clarifying! Barracuda (talk) 14:53, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Huge weapon images

I've noticed that the S3 weapon images in the infoboxes are way too big and most don't even fit in the infobox. Is this just me or does this happen to everyone? This occurs on a lot of devices. Also, the REEF-LUX 450 infobox image is the 2D image, not the 3D image the other weapons have. The 3D image exists, I just don't know the file name. Could someone tell me what its filename is? Thanks, OrderSquid38 [Talk] 15:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Notice templates

Okay, we're all familiar with Notice Templates? But at the moment they are very obtuse.

I propose that:

1. {{Todo}} notices should be moved to the talkpage
2. {{Stub}} and {{Construction}} is removed completely, in favour of {{Incomplete}}. {{Draft}} is unaffected.
3. Notice templates that refer to a section only, should go in that section and not at the top/bottom of the article (e.g. 0 shell)
4. Editor notice templates that the reader doesn't care about or "get in the way" should go at the bottom of the page. These include {{Disambig}}, {{Incomplete}}, {{Images}}, {{Move}}, {{Protect}}, {{Delete}}.
5. Notice templates that provide contextual information that the reader would care about should remain at the top, or in the relevant section. These include {{Archive}}, {{Conjecture}}, {{Future}}, {{Leak}}, {{Proposal}}, {{Real}}, {{Unofficial}}.

Love to hear thoughts on this. Slate Talk Contribs 16:51, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't object to the templates themselves so much, but I've definitely seen them being used irresponsibly the majority of the time. Someone thinks more content is needed on a page or section, so they stick a {{todo}} or something on it and never touch the page ever again. Notice templates are not for assigning homework to other editors. Consequently, we'll probably want to do an audit of all of their current uses and clean those up before deciding what needs to change going forward. --GuyPerfect (talk) 17:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I think instead of moving some of these somewhere they would be noticed even less, they could be reworked to take up less space. Right now the borders and images are pretty big in like, all of them, which probably makes it feel even more like they're "getting in the way".

Taking some examples from another wiki I'm active on, see how their disambig template is just that one line of text + separating line at the top? In general, a lot of their templates that are made to be inserted into pages or sections are much thinner than Ikipedia's: see stub or incomplete. I'm not going to link them all (though I could if asked) because I think I'm being clear enough already: imo, completely redesigning some of these could be more helpful (they're still seen, but are less of a bother if you don't care at the moment).

But even apart from visibility, I'm just not sure about moving stuff to the bottom. Like, disambig pages aren't usually that big and that template is almost redundant anyway so I wouldn't really mind it that for one. But if the point of {{Move}} and {{Delete}} are to start discussion about said move or deletion, I fear moving them to the bottom is going to do the opposite of helping.

 ♥ #6-Frisk   ‍  19:38, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I too feel like making them smaller would be a good idea. MissDelibirda (talk) 19:46, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I understand a lot of this, but don't agree to all of it. The number one thing is that all of the templates are just so big, and if they were able to shrink down a bit it may reduce clutter. I think to-do on talk pages is a good idea in theory, but would voice the concern that people wouldn't remove the thing to do after it happens. I would agree with making Incomplete template a switch that defaults to missing information, or, if Stub is entered as a variable it will change the message to just say the article is broadly short or inconclusive, as opposed to Incomplete which implies a specific segment of the page is not correct. Section three is fine, and I am surprised it is not being done already. I really disagree with moving the templates in point four to the bottom. Those if anything should be seen right away to know that a major event is going to happen to the page, even as a reader. This page I am referencing constantly for something, maybe as a website link? It could be affected soon. That is pertinent information. Again, if the sizes of these templates were smaller it may reduce space lost before content begins. I do not think there is substantial difference between delete tags and unofficial tags. Would never have thought about GuyP's point, but if it does appear to be an issue, putting stricter guidelines or creating a single to-do maintenance page with linked headers could be applicable solutions. Trig - 17:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

At the moment "incomplete" means a section is lacking, but since "incomplete" is, in English, a binary term, an article that is 99% done, and another that is 1% stubbed, are both deemed incomplete. Construction is a particularly strange one as all pages in a wiki are "under construction". Slate Talk Contribs 20:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

I've shrunk the size down on the default parameters, but I don't see this being a resolution Slate Talk Contribs 20:10, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you in every way but one. The distinction between {{stub}} and {{incomplete}} is that the former describes an article with minimal information that needs to be expanded in an unknown but large number of ways, while the latter should be used for an incomplete table or an article that lacks particular information whose absence may otherwise go unnoticed. In the latter case, the template also indicates to the reader that information in the article or section may not be comprehensive. _{Just a silly little goose ^.^} (talk | contribs) 02:10, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Moving "todo" to talk pages seems like a good idea. Hopefully it will encourage more productive use of the talk pages!

Regarding moving templates to the bottom of the page, this isn't practical for some templates like Template:Image which are sometimes placed in a specific section to indicate that section is missing content.

Regarding stub and incomplete, I don't think stub should be removed. In the same way that hospitals practice "triage" to deliver fast care for urgent needs while making patients without life-threatening needs wait hours before they get care, wikis benefit from categories indicating which articles are most desperately in need of attention. A "stub" article needs more attention than an "incomplete" article. Of course, it could be argued that Inkipedia is too small to need this distinction (Wikipedia which has 5+ different categories describing how complete an article is, necessary due to Wikipedia's size) but I would argue that we do need the "stub" template as we often see editors asking "what needs to be worked on the most?" and I think the answer is "stub articles"! Heddy (talk) 05:15, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Split Pages By Tabs

The fact that you need to scroll through two games' worth of outdated info to get to the Splatoon 3 stuff makes this wiki a bit bothersome to use, especially when trying to find weapon and sub info and such. To fix this I propose splitting each article's info into seperate tabs that you click on to access each game's version of the item. This would be a decently-sized project due to the writing work required to fill in the gaps, but I think it would be worth it for the increase in readibility and future-proofing for any more additions to the series. Batbrain1998 (talk) 23:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

That's not true; firstly, information about Splatoon and Splatoon 2 is not "outdated info", and secondly, you do not need to scroll through anything. Simply look at the table of contents and click the link for what part you want to look at, then it will take you to that part of the article. At-a-glance info for the most recent game is available in the infobox at the top of the page. Heddy (talk) 15:16, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. MissDelibirda (talk) 15:29, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

As for the idea of tabs to split pages, it seems like an idea worth considering. I have seen some websites do it successfully, but I don't think I have seen a wiki do it successfully. I have seen some discussion about this topic on this wiki's Discord, and it seems the main problem with the Tabs wiki extension is that it causes some info to not be available for users with JavaScript turned off in their web browser, which is a big problem if true. Our infoboxes don't use the Tabs extension, instead they use custom code which is designed to fail gracefully if JavaScript is disabled. Since tabbing entire wiki pages is such a radical change, and since we already have tabs working in infoxboxes, it may be best to continue things as they are, making sure any info that people often look for is in the infobox. Heddy (talk) 15:55, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Infobox standardization for RotM

Much like {{InfoboxMission/OctoExpansion}}, I believe the wiki would greatly benefit from a standard infobox template for missions in Return of the Mammalians. I would do this myself if I were more experienced with template making and if I were confident I could handle the case of Hero Gear properly, but alas I am not. Also, the page for Hero Gear still needs to be made and used in place of the incorrect "Hero Shot and Smallfry". _{Just a silly little goose ^.^} (talk | contribs) 05:40, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Suggest: move Rare weapon to separate page

Now that Wildcard Rotations and Rare Weapons are in two games with different properties in each, and Salmon Run Next Wave currently incorrectly links to Rare weapon, I think it should be turned from a Redirect page to its own article. _{Just a silly little goose ^.^} (talk | contribs) 22:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)