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Establishing User Content Policy

I've been mulling this over for awhile now, but I believe now it is time to act: There is a lot of user-only content on Inkipedia. More specifically, there is a subsection of users that are using the platform more as a social platform or a fanon-driven sandbox than are actually developing the site and the important mainspace content. This doesn't fall in our scope, nor does it make sense in the broader sense of the platform to host these projects as they exist themselves. A bulk of the issue stems around the high volume of user images, although not exclusively. I propose that we push the site into a new direction, with one of the following three outcomes:

• (1) Establish a formal limit for personal content per user. The specific details of this can be established more specifically if people opt for this answer, although I suggest 10 files plus signature materials. This is the format near all affiliate NIWA wikis opt to use. (For example, WiKirby allows five files per user)
• (2) Expand/revitalize the 'Blog:' namespace to be supportive of Fanon content, establishing specific rules and guidelines on how those posts are made, managed, and maintained. User pages that meet the criteria would be integrated into this space. As an example, Fallout Wiki has an independent namespace for user projects and content.
• (3) Create a completely separate Fanon/social wiki space akin to Pikmin Fanon and the Fanon Wiki network.

Alternatively, we could do nothing, or, if someone else has a better suggestion, could be used instead. There could also be a hybrid of the options above. The long term goal is to encourage mainspace editing, and—with multiple users having 30% or fewer edits for the wiki compared to their user pages—it appears this is not the focus. This is a good way to get back on track to content based edits.
This is not supposed to be a specific attack on any one user, nor is it saying that the work being done has no value, however I believe it is time to evaluate its purpose on Inkipedia itself and where it should possibly move. Please feel free to vote or offer suggestions/responses below. Trig Jegman - 19:18, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Option 1 definitely seems to be the most drastic, with many user pages and sandboxes consisting of many more than 10 images, however, it would also get the job done very well if your goal is to reduce the amount of user-only content on the wiki (which I’m assuming is the goal). Option 2 is my personal favorite. Bringing back the “Blog:” namespace is long overdue and it is definitely the least harsh option on here. Option 3 is a little confusing if I’m being completely honest. Like, I understand the point, but, why would we pick this option over the other two? It’s outclassed in both ways because it accomplishes neither of the goals as well as the other two. Thank you for listening to my TED talk, and have a great rest of your day! Jacobearth • chit-chat 21:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Option 1 would be best; Option 3 is decent, but the creation of a fanon wiki isn't Inkipedia's business. I don't think it'd be fair to the bureaucrats to have them host and/or manage a separate looser wiki unless it's something they're on board with.

I strongly agree that this is an issue that needs to be addressed. Often I'll see users repeatedly make very long edits detailing the stories they have for their Splatoon OCs, or things like their extensive opinions about various Splatoon lore/updates/popular interpretations, to the point the amount of content on those userpages is better suited for a personal website (or, as you proposed, a separate fanon style wiki). I think restricting the amount of user images allowed per user in addition to the permitted length a user page can reach would help keep Inkipedia tidier, while encouraging new users to not turn their pages into what is essentially their own webpage, fully removed from being related to editing Inkipedia.

Wikipedia's policy on the matter is perhaps too strict for a videogame encyclopedia's standards, but worth consulting in the process of addressing this. I am personally very disheartened every time I see massive edits to userpages when I check Recent Changes. Inkipedia is not a host for people's opinions.

Option 2 is interesting and worth considering, but I fear allowing users to create blog posts (even within guidelines) would further enable the types of users that focus on editing their userpages to continue posting unrelated content. The best use of the blog namespace on other wikis I've seen have been blogposts regarding massive updates being made to the related wiki or wiki software, rather than being directly related to the content the wiki covers. I fear ushering the current unusual use of userpages towards the blog namespace might devolve into the style of Fandom wikis' talk board pages, which are notoriously full of users posting whatever's on their mind, wiki related or not. Yoshifan52 (talk) 22:24, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Reminds me of the SmashWiki's probation thing, which I think should be somewhat implemented here in order to encourage mainspace edits. — Exaskliri _(they/them) (talk | contribs) 22:51, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

The only things that concern me are Options 2 & 3, as the former I'm wondering if the blogs will be protected from spam changes/reviews, as I'm very protective of my Fanon and don't want to see it discriminated. For the latter, I agree with some comments about it. This wiki is more organized and filled to the brim with official info to research on, while Fandom wikis, I feel, are a goldmine for spammy users and fan-generated content some might be uncomfortable with of disagree to. Yes, my Canon Sandbox is "so" dang big, as I may plan on dividing it into parts. The current one becoming the introduction to the world, battle rules and Splatfests. While the characters and story parts will become individual sub-pages (as they take up the bulk of my Sandbox now...), and have links to them in the former page. OR, as Yoshifan52 said, make some sort of form or private website to contain that content and have a link to it on my User page. But right now, I don't have the time, money "and" tech to do it yet, as I'm busy with irl stuff (finding a comfortable job, house chores, etc.) AND grinding in Splatoon 3 on the daily.

PS; I apologize that most my recent edits here were in userspace. I haven't had the time to add new info to mainspace or it has already been added. Sincerely, P.J. GT(talk) 23:47, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

You have edited your userpage almost 900 times; this, combined with the amount of content on it, is the exact kind of userspace editing behavior I think should no longer be allowed. Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:13, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't mean to be subjective and begin an argument, but are you mentioning my user page or my Sandbox about the amount of edits? If its the latter, I can agree and possibly plan on either dividing its content into separate sandboxes or copy it into a private website or Google Form when I aquire my preferred tools to do it. P.J. GT(talk) 00:20, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Your userpage's statistics page (not the sandboxes') says there have been 841 edits made to it, the vast majority of which were made by you. That is an extremely high number of userspace edits. Your main sandbox page has been edited 743 times, and its contents seem to be an extension of your userpage, rather than a proper sandbox; it is full of fanon information rather than tests of wiki features or prototypes of mainspace articles. Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:45, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

@Yoshifan52; That may be because of my system of updating my game stats weekly (Might change it to seasonal rn), grammar/spelling fixes, removal of might-be offensive content and my Splatfest/Big Run results. So should I ditch my ongoing Weapon Ideas table and delete it and trim-down some stuff? Also, this may be off topic but, should I split my Sandbox Page to separate Sandboxes each for an Intro/details, Characters, and Story pages respectively, or copy it over to a Google Dock/Drive or a private website? I'd be glad to have some help with that. Sincerely, P.J. GT(talk) 02:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

I like the probation idea mentioned by Exaskliri. I like option 1. I don't think option 2 or 3 would help. So, I want to go with some combination of option 1 and SmashWiki's probation process. Heddy (talk) 23:52, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm in a similar mind, though I don't feel strongly for implementing a Probation-like policy. User image limit, yes. As noted, I don't really have additional energy to start/maintain a fanon wiki. I do think we need some policies that says what Inkipedia is not, and some guidelines on userspaces in a slightly more lenient way to the Wikipedia policy linked above. A quick reminder that you can filter out userspace edits from the recent changes (though obviously this can't be done for patrolling edits). Slate Talk Contribs 00:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Would a decision here be made by a vote or a consensus? (As a side note, a personal image limit would be good, but maybe we could make a template for things like splatfests? Perhaps something like the translation template, where you can't click on the flags, but it still has the image? We could change out the flags for the splatfest icons, and we could have different parameters be options of [just going off what I see on other's pages] a personal choice, a synopsis, and stats? Just spitballing). Xando (ping) 21:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

There would need to be a consensus for any major change, per the consensus policy. Heddy (talk) 00:57, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

I like option 1 the most, I'd need a better explanation of what further guidelines other than limiting the number of files you can upload. I think the discord lately has been very focused on community matters than wiki matters so any socials can go there or to any other social media/blog/forum website. Shahar (talk) 14:19, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

I love option 1. Mostly just because I feel like I have too much userspace stuff. I end up using the time I have to edit that, anyway, so that should be limited. (Basically, I'm an amazing example of being too immersed in my userspace edits. :,) ) Arivaki-Kun (banter) 18:35, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Although I'm not very active on here at the moment, I think this is a great idea. The purpose of this wiki it to provide info on the franchise, not to be a social media platform for fans. WoomyGirl85 (talk) 17:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

I am also a very immersed Sandbox editor, and I definitely could use a push to make Inkipedia a better place. Option 1 seems like a “cold turkey” way to limit these actions from happening, and would be a quick route out. I would be fine with any of these options, but it seems rather extensive to create another website to cater to us canon sandbox creators and similar folks of the wiki. I don’t really think the probation seems necessary unless someone is continuing to push the limits. All in all, I think that this is a great idea.

Clarinet.octo File:Marina.png (talk)File:S3 Tableturf Card Murch.png 03:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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To continue this effort, here is the semi-formal definition of a user image as well as three individual feedback points (number, subpages, lock to ac) for debate. I would like to know what you think will work best for the finalized policy so that way the proposed policy is the most supported option.

A user file is a personal file belonging to a user for the purpose of being used on their userpage or a related userspace page. Examples include images of personal Inklings, stats, gear, or fanart.

What constitutes a user file is purpose. Some files uploaded may be used on a namespace draft page—these are not user files as their end goal is to be integrated into a mainspace or wiki policy page. User files specifically are intended to remain in User: and Blog: namespaces.

A user may also have images to use for their signature. These files, given their unique usage, will also not be considered as a user file, although their amount should be kept minimal.

(1) Limiting user files seeks to increase efforts editing on-wiki. Here are several proposed guidelines (in general order from least to most strict):

• Ten user images, no greater.
• Seven user images, no greater.
• Five user images, no greater. This is the most common policy held by affiliate wikis.
• Three user images per year of active contribution (min of 36 constructive edits per calendar year).
• Ten user images plus a probation status akin to SmashWiki—if edit to userspace ratios don't line up, be unable to edit userspace until mainspace is addressed.
• Five user images plus a probation status akin to SmashWiki—if edit to userspace ratios don't line up, be unable to edit userspace until mainspace is addressed.

No account will have user content grandfathered in. All files exceeding the limit will be deleted on November 1st, 2023 (example date, but an established hard number with exceptional advance) at administration's discretion. Users will be asked to remove content prior as to only preserve the most important files for their space.

(2) Additionally, non-draft and non-maintenance user subpages should never exceed five regardless of the option voted on above.

(3) Lastly, a third proposal to lock the creation of User pages to autoconfirmed is suggested.

Please let me know your thoughts on all three policy changes as suggested above. Trig Jegman - 17:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I think putting a limit on the amount of user files one can have is a great idea. Five user images sounds like the best choice.

I would like to point out that some new users are uploading random Splatoon memes and fanart without putting them on their user page. New users have also been uploading duplicate files. If there was anyway we could make it so only autoconfirmed users could upload files that would be a major help. By doing so we could lower the chances of unneeded files being uploaded. Odd (Talk) 17:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Five images per user alongside a hard deadline by which everyone needs to tidy up their current user images sounds best to me. I'm still a fan of the probation period concept, but that's ultimately up to the admins, since they'll be the ones with that additional workload. I'm 100% for both file uploading and user page editing being limited to autoconfirmed users; another wiki I work on implements that, and I find it excellent at helping block out spam/obvious mistakes/users that create an account, then a user page, then never make any edits. Yoshifan52 (talk) 22:49, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

The problem with locking user pages to autoconfirm is that autoconfirm is a very easy status to reach. Only 5 edits and 1 day are required to become autoconfirmed. With vandalism, this is very easy to do. I fear that users who want to use this wiki as a social media platform will simply make unhelpful edits in order to unlock the userspace. If we were to gatekeep the userspace like this, we would need to raise the autoconfirm requirements. (Additionally, I've only ever seen ads in the userspace, which is another sign of it being way too full) Bobby(talk) 02:08, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Between it being relatively easy to become autoconfirmed, and blocks placed upon misbehaving editors only lasting a day or two, maybe Inkipedia needs to become a touch more strict when it comes to new users. Altering the autoconfirmation process (which I believe is handled by the system, not by staff going through lists of recently registered users) and/or directing less knowledgeable editors towards the rules a bit better on something like the main page could potentially help a lot. Yoshifan52 (talk) 07.24, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I've been on and off about 20 or so wikis in my time and from what I have personally observed, I don't really believe in harsher autoconfirm=ensuring quality edits mentality. I think it only creates a more elitist spin and dissuades new or inexperienced editors from making attempts to make changes or contribute at all because the tools are not provided to them. This rings doubly true because Inkipedia is just kinda one of those places where it is people's first real wiki experience. If there's a unanimous agreement to restrict image uploading to AC, then I can add it in, but I'm pretty staunchly against the notion of increasing the AC requirements too significantly. Trig - 18:27, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

What happened?

I left a message on INK:PUMP and I checked to see if anyone got back to me, but then My message was gone! What happened? File:S3 Icon Callie.png Splat girl File:S3 Icon Shiver.png(talk) 16:52, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Someone archived the past Ink Pump conversations. They must of thought your question wasn’t an ongoing conversation. If you want you could add the question here :) Odd (Talk) 17:25, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

In reference likely to this message here, I have no idea what you were asking for. Trig - 17:44, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Mechanics Navbox

I made a Navbox template for various mechanics, but I'd like some feedback on it. Template:Navbox/Mechanics Bobby(talk) 21:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Looks pretty good to me! Not sure where we should put it, if you want it on a page. Good job, though! Arivaki-Kun (banter) 21:58, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I was going to put it on the pages of all the items inside it.

Bobby(talk) 21:59, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Could use some color adjustments, but looks great! I had noticed this wiki was missing a navbox for Mechanics despite having so many Mechanic pages, happy to see someone took care of it. Wonderful work! Yoshifan52 (talk) 22:15, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Cool. Just wondering! Thanks! Arivaki-Kun (banter) 22:18, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

It looks great!! I saw the Checkpoint introduced in the first game is on there, but wouldn't it be Spawn point instead? :0 Since Checkpoint redirects to the page for Spawn point. FancyRat 23:06, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

DLC

Nintendo just announced splatoon 3 DLC! Let's get new articles out right away :) Lofiguy (talk) 17:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

we are already on it xD Ratch 18:24, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Great :) Lofiguy (talk) 19:26, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Gear Seeds

Should we make an article regarding gear seeds and LeanYoshi's gear seed checker? It's technically canon, isn't it? But should it be an article on its own or added to the gear page or the hacks page? Woomy? (talk) 18:25, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Do we have a hacks page? I can't find one. Lofiguy (talk) 19:30, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

@Woomy? No, from what I saw, it is not canon and should not be added.

@Lofiguy We do not have a hacks page because it is non canon and not our concern. We do have a page for Glitches, though.

-Xando (ping) 19:38, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Alright then. Sorry for the confusion, I meant the glitches page but said hacks instead. Woomy? (talk) 19:41, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Something big is missing...

There's something that I've noticed isn't on this wiki, and coming from the Minecraft Wiki, it really bothers me. We are completely lacking in all clips of various short noises. Everything that makes sound in Minecraft has a sound table on its wiki page, and I know that lots of things in the Splatoon games make noises too. Does anyone know how to make a "sound byte" template where you click a small icon on an infobox and it plays an associated sound byte? Bobby(talk) 19:38, 13 February 2023 (UTC)