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Gear navbox renovations

The current gear navboxes sort the gear per initial rarity/star count/star power; I find this sorting system isn't very useful and it's overall difficult to imagine even a very gear-focused player preferring to sort by star power of all things. I've prepared a demonstration of gear navboxes in which gear is sorted by brand instead, and would like to propose these as a potential replacement for the current ones. I've also included a variation where per-gear icons are present; I imagine most players do not have most gear pieces' names committed to memory thus icons can help with navigation, though there may be concerns with article loading times as a result of adding a lot of icons.

As this would be a rather large scale change affecting nearly the entire wiki, I'm eager to hear others' input on the topic. Yoshifan52 (talk) 08:00, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I would like more feedback from gear-focused players but in my opinion it seems like a fair change Olivia (talk) 09:17, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I really really like this idea! Whenever I look for gear through the navbox, it's always difficult because I don't even know what star power is to begin with. I do however, know and love the brands, so this change would help me tremendously. Stay Fresh! NewSquidbeakSplatoon (talk) 11:02, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Having per-gear icons definitely seems very good, I think that would be sufficiently helpful on its own even without splitting navboxes based on brand (which has the side effect of making the navboxes take up significantly more space). The icons don't presently get pushed onto a new line which makes it a little confusing to read, but if that's on the table to fix, that would strike my only major complaint with it. Driftin Soul (talk) 17:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I hadn't thought about the new length potentially being an issue, good point. I'm not sure how to work around that, my understanding is the majority of gear-focused players tend to gravity towards the brand mechanics of the game rather than any other aspect that could be used as a categorization system.

Here's a rough around the edges demo where all of S3's headgear is in one chunk, sorted alphabetically; it's still decently long, but perhaps more manageable in that department? I think it looks a bit too plain and somewhat messy without a categorization system. Not sure what other approach can be taken... Yoshifan52 (talk) 20:06, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Would it be possible to, within the infobox, collapse by default all brands that the page does not belong to? That's one possible solution that comes to mind.

Having it split by starting letter (again, non-applicable letters collapsed) could be a similar approach. Driftin Soul (talk) 20:14, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure it would be possible to automate that (and setting it up manually would be unnecessarily messy and complex)... Yoshifan52 (talk) 20:57, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Hmm... yeah, if it can't be automated that's definitely a big strike against it. Would definitely also result in some weird edge cases with gear that changed brands (and/or names) between games. Driftin Soul (talk) 21:00, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Your demo is really nice!!! I love the gear organized one better tho, is the best option imo. We should think really hard and see which one comes out on top! The alphebetical one is nice, but I don't know. Looks kinda like BLUHHHERESEVERYSINGLEHEADGEARRIGHTINFRONTOFYOUIF YOUWANNAFINDSOMETHINGYOUGOTTALOOKTHROUGHITALLBLUUH Not really very optimal, right? It's not bad, just not the best. Stay Fresh! NewSquidbeakSplatoon (talk) 21:00, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Trig's sent me this demo as an alternative with the perspective of a player who doesn't care much for gear/brands. I think this format handles the length issue while making it read better; what do you think? I still like my by-brand categorization but I'm not sure it's the most practical. Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh I like that

Solves my issues with the gear names/icons ending up on different lines if nothing else, which helps readability a lot. Driftin Soul (talk) 00:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for the huge delay; I've updated my demo to match the formatting system Trig sent. I've added per-brand navboxes as well: the idea is a piece of gear's page would list both types of navbox. For example, the page for Barrelfish Baseball Hat would feature a navbox for all S3 headgear, as well as a navbox for all S3 Skalop gear. This might get a bit busy in cases where a single piece of gear has been in all three games thus far, but overall seems to be the best possible option for per-brand navboxes. Let me know what you think! Yoshifan52 (talk) 04:08, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Wow… this is absolutely incredible!!! Must've took some hard work to take the current format and rework it per game and category, then do it again for gear brand and game! Some of the spacings are a bit awkward, but I'm on mobile so that might be it? Still looks amazing! It's wonderful! I hope everyone else thinks the same. Stay Fresh! NewSquidbeakSplatoon (talk) 21:23, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I find it difficult to find particular gear in the current navboxes. I usually use the lists (like this one List of headgear in Splatoon 3) instead. I prefer the variation with icons. I think the icons make it much easier to find items. The weapon navboxes also have icons, so including icons in the gear navboxes will make them more similar.  GX_64 (talk)  00:43, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I certainly support using icons, they greatly improve navigation because users are much more likely to remember a piece of gear based on its appearance than its name. Honestly I am neutral on how to split them, star power is least useful but does split in a neat way, brand is most useful but makes the nav incredibly long, and no split at all is a neat compromise but I think it's a little weird having a nav with zero split. But if there's no need for a split then, well it doesn't need one. So I essentially support all three, yeah not very helpful I know. - Harristic (talk) 00:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Having every gear icon load on every gear page may bloat up the pages considerably. I think this is one of the reasons the weapon pages are so heavy on load time. Is there another method that could be used to make things easier to find without adding images? Heddy (talk) 00:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Heddy is right, would significantly increase load time, because there is a lot, and I mean A LOT more gear than there are weapons. I'm not sure how to tackle this, because Harristic is right. I remember something better off of appearance than name, because if I saw it on say, a Reddit post, I wouldn't know the name. I'd come to Inkipedia and look at the images to find it! Maybe if we could somehow compress the file or something similar, to be able to handle it better and not make 10 minute load times. I don't know if that is possible, but yeah. To sum it up, make the images easier to present, so it doesn't slow the website down. Stay Fresh! NewSquidbeakSplatoon (talk) 01:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

What are we going to do about Hong Kong and South Korea?

As the title says, what are we going to do about Hong Kong and South Korea for the Splatfest navboxes (the previous and next template)? For reference, during region-locked Splatfests, North America, Europe, and Japan all have their separate navboxes, however, Hong Kong and South Korea do not. Are they going to get their own, separate navbox on Splatoon 3's region-locked Splatfest pages, or are they going to be combined with one of the already existing ones?

I asked this before here, but it was ignored. -Random 19:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

From what I have been told by other editors, it is currently impossible for HK and SK to have their own set Splatfest; their theme & results always have to be combined with one of the other three regions. As such, I don't think we have to be concerned about it unless something changes in the future to allow unique themes & results. Driftin Soul (talk) 19:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Alright. -Random 20:04, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

How do I put pictures from my photo gallery onto my page?

This is probably the stupidest question ever, but I need help. I use Inkipedia from my phone, and I was trying to create my user page, but I couldn't find anything for importing a photo from my phone's gallery. Is there any way to do that or do I have to do something crazy like download it? Sandy&Altie (talk) 15:34, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

To upload an image, you need to go to the File Upload page. Before you upload an image, read the image guidelines and the file template information provided at the top of the page so you know the wiki's policies about uploading files! Keep in mind, users can have at most 7 personal images for their userpages. To display the image on your userpage, you would write [[File:Your file's name.jpg|50px]] You can increase the image's size on your page by entering a bigger number before the px, I used 50 as an example. If you do increase the size make sure the image doesn't go off the side of the page. Hope this helps!! Odd (Talk) 16:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

if u are getting the pics from ur switch u have to click share then click send to smartphone Faulty chair (talk) 12:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Salmon Run "Tips" sections

So it's been bothering me for a while, the Tips sections on Salmon Run related pages are not great. They have to be miles long to cover all relevant info (For example: Rush), they don't separate info between games, they actively recommend mediocre to bad strategies (wall clinging on Rush), they gloss over Snatcher optimization, etc... I want to fix them, but for the pages to be actually helpful and as extensive as I think they should be, they would most likely need to be separate from the regular pages to keep it organized.

Something related to this was brought up in the discord and StrategyWiki was mentioned, but when I asked if that's where this should really go I didn't get a reply; I've been told that StrategyWiki mainly focuses on singleplayer or games with linear levels so I'm not sure if Salmon Run would fit there in the first place. I had the thought of making competitive-like pages for it since Big Run and Eggstra Work are in-game competitive events, but I don't think that's the intended use for the namespace. But surely we could figure something out?

The main reason I want to do something about this is that Salmon Run has been my favorite part of Splatoon since S2, but in general it has no central resource for information. Most is spread across youtube videos, discord servers, and google docs linked through either of those, which is extremely inaccessible. I know Salmon Run isn't nearly as popular as the PvP, but it's still a full game mode and if we're going to have gameplay advice for it at all I think we should have it more organized than it is now. I'm not even necessarily advocating for overfishing strategies to be covered since I know that community is pretty niche.

To summarize: The Salmon Run pages' Tips sections are annoying to read at best and unhelpful at worst. I would like to make proper strategy pages somewhere, but I don't know if that's something others believe would belong on Inkipedia specifically. Hoping to start a discussion here. Sourguppyworm (talk) 22:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe you could make a sub section of inkipedia that foucuses only on grizzco related things. that way it gets eaiser to navagate. i would help, but i dont know much code. i can give ideas tho Squidkid34 (talk) 12:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply! That's kind of close to what I was thinking of, as I mentioned I thought we could do something similar to the Competitive namespace. But there doesn't seem to have been any interest in it since I posted this last month, so I've just been working on my own offsite guide instead 😅... Sourguppyworm (talk) 02:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Trivia section

I've noticed that a lot of the trivia sections for some pages say tidbits but don't specify in which game it comes from, such as Flounder Heights mentioning the ghost in one of the apartments, but it doesn't specify that it's only in Splatoon 3. Another good example is the Hero Suit page mentioning Agent 3, but once again, does not say which Agent 3. Should we add subsections or a note in those kinds of entries? Rozelia The Octo06 (talk) 22:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

The game which the trivia is from should be mentioned. The way that the game is specified is slightly inconsistent across different pages, but it seems to be either mentioning which game it's from in the trivia item (like some of the trivia here Cuttlefish#Trivia), or split into different sections for each game (like these pages Agent 3 (Splatoon)#Trivia, Judd#Trivia). The different sections seem to be used when there is a larger amount of trivia.  GX_64 (talk)  05:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Coloring color chip template

is it possible to color the color chip template? I tried to link color it, but it's not working. This kinda applies to other templates w text. Squidcat (talk) 13:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Pretendo

Now that Nintendo Network has been discontinued, should we make a page documenting the Splatoon side of Pretendo? They have now released a hackless way of connecting to thier servers and it runs just like Nintendo Network. Thanks, CodingAsteroid (talk) 12:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

As it is not an officially-endorsed service (with some legal dubiousness), I would advise against it: It is not what the developers had intended in an official capacity, and I really don't want to seem like Inkipedia is supporting or endorsing the product because that could turn around and hurt us. Unless something notable happens like the scheduled rotations not working as anticipated, I think mention of the service at all should be zero to minimal. Trig - 13:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for the feedback! CodingAsteroid (talk) 07:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Improving mobile layout for Navbox

The existing Navbox layout is horizontal, due to section headings being placed on the left. This makes them not work very well on mobile devices, which has narrow screens on portrait mode. I am testing a modification to the Navbox layout for mobile view: by moving the section headings to the top of each sections, the layout becomes more mobile-friendly. The desktop layout stays the same as the current one.

You can preview this on User:Harimaron/Sandbox#Navbox. The mobile layout will only activate if the viewport is narrow enough, so you can test it by viewing it on mobile or by reducing the width of your web browser window. I would appreciate any comments. Harimaron (talk) 16:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I have applied this change which should now be in effect for all Navboxes. Harimaron (talk) 14:50, 3 May 2024 (UTC)