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Proposing the Proposals Proposal with the Proposals Proposal Proposal

Hello gang. I am suggesting that Inkipedia implements a Proposal system similar to Wikipedia, MarioWiki, Pikipedia, and WiKirby. This will allow easier, consistent site changes to the site viewable in one place. It can be found at the following Proposals Proposal Proposal page—voting is available on this page. Trig - 23:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

There are a few things I think need discussing regarding this, the first is: do we need a new policy page for this? Why not modify the voting and consensus policies? Heddy (talk) 00:49, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Update: before we can vote on implementing Trig's proposed system for proposals, we have to make Inkipedia policy compatible with it. Specifically, Inkipedia's policy of requiring consensus but not clearly defining what consensus is, and allowing a single staff member to shoot down proposals, is what must be changed first. I will create an Ink Pump vote for this, in a new section. Heddy (talk) 01:52, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The consensus policy is now compatible with Trig's proposed dedicated page for submitting proposals. Now, we will vote to approve the creation of the dedicated proposal page. If successful, this should be the last policy proposal vote to take place in Ink Pump, though Ink Pump will continue to be the place to discuss proposals before votes are created. Heddy (talk) 07:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Make a Main Page/Challenge tab

The Challenge mode tab for the wiki should be added soon. Limited-time events like this usually come up on the Main Page, and it should be added there too soon. KPOfficial26 (talk) 14:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I feel like it should too! I'll ask someone who can edit the page if they can add it! *aggressive introverting* Mariefan 15:17, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

It seems like these ltms like these might be main-page worthy only when they are available. I'll put some options in another reply. -Xando (talk) 15:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion, Challenges have a similar status to Eggstra Work and should therefore be on the Main Page. At least the New Season Challenge should be added there. Whether other Challenges will be added to the schedule would depend on their frequency. EminenceTalk 15:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Assesing some options to put Challenges on main page. Please note YOU ARE NOT VOTING ON THIS. This is just something I put together to assess options. Reply to talk about the options.

1: Similar to splatfests, add challenges as soon as they are announced and keep them until another challenge is announced

One might like option one due to staying in-the-know at all times for upcoming and concluded challenges.

2: Add challenges only a day or so before they start, and take them down about a day before they end There's a lot of stuff on the main page, but it's main page worthy enough.

2a Add another widget in and extend the page

2bi: Replace big run widget

2bii: Replace splatfest widget

2biii: Replace whichever is older/not ongoing at the moment.

3: Don't add them onto main page at all This might be because there's too much stuff on the main page already, and what's there already should stay there.

-Xando (talk) 15:53, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

We do not yet know the frequency of challenges, if they are more frequent than once per month or something, we should create a different widget to not obstruct the schedule for less frequent events. If they are around once a month, I think it is fine to implement a Challenge schedule the same way as Big Run/Splatfest/Eggstra Work schedules. EminenceTalk 15:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Do we know the frequency of challenges now? They seem like once or maybe twice a week. Maybe we could treat them like Salmon Run in S2? User:Randomnamehere/Sig 22:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Pages for major minor musicians

So this is a topic that's been on my mind a bit after the addition of Yoko & the Gold Bazookas in the latest Splatoon 3 update. As it currently stands, I really like the system we have in place for handling lore for minor band members. Most of them don't have enough information to warrant getting their own pages, and given most of these characters are only ever seen in the context of their respective bands, it makes sense to handle the information this way. I feel like making dedicated pages for most of these characters would only lead to a lot of unnecessary clutter more efficiently conveyed in a single page.

That being said, in Splatoon 3, we've been seeing many more instances of musicians featuring in multiple bands, which has me questioning how we should handle these characters. Previously, Quinn was the only example of this, and while splitting his information across two pages felt somewhat awkward, it made more sense than making an exception for a single musician. But with characters like Ichiya and Yoko (and to a lesser extent, Nami and Murasaki) getting similar treatments, I feel it may be worth re-evaluating how we handle them. I still feel like these characters may be too minor to warrant their own pages, but at the same time, I feel it'd be nice to have all the information on them in one place rather than splitting it up somewhat arbitrarily, and it'd be useful for handling minor factoids unrelated to either of their bands (e.g. Beika mentioning Ichiya growing up in the Splatlands).

(For clarification, I'm solely considering this for characters that have been in multiple bands. For characters like the Bottom Feeders, I still feel like just putting all their information on the band page is the right call, given there's not really any reason to handle it otherwise.)

I'm genuinely not sure where I fall on this myself, so I'd love to hear how others think we should address this. WayslideCool (talk) 04:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

I think that it makes more sense to have separate pages for some of the musicians in multiple bands. I agree with the reasons you mentioned. I think there is enough information about Quinn and Ichiya for them to have their own pages, as well as possibly Yoko. I don't think there is enough information about Nami and Murasaki for them to have their own pages. I am concerned that the new pages will be very short, but it will make information about them easier to find, as well as making it possible to add information such as the things from the Splatune 3 booklet.  GX_64 (talk)  06:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

I think I feel about the same way, I only brought up Nami and Murasaki because they've also been in multiple bands, but given they're barely mentioned in the Splatune 3 booklet, I'm not sure if they really deserve pages of their own. I feel like if we're going to go through with this, however, we'd need to decide on some parameter that defines whether a character "deserves" their own page or not. I decided to write a rough draft of what a Quinn page could look like in my sandbox, and I'm not honestly sure if it's swung me either way on this proposal. I think it feels really nice to have all this information in one place rather than needing to look around multiple pages to get the full picture, but I also kinda feel like it's just restating a lot of information that may fit better elsewhere. I don't think the article feels too short though, I feel like our articles on a lot of the shopkeepers are of a similar length. I'm personally always gonna be a little biased in favor of the bands, but that's no way to run a wiki, is it? WayslideCool (talk) 12:49, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry if this is written badly. I am slightly tired right now since it is late.

Your draft is great. It definitely has enough information. I agree that it is nice to have all the information on one page.

If we do make these pages, could the parameter for deciding whether a character gets one possibly be currently having a significant amount of information about them on multiple pages? For example, Quinn has information in both Squid Squad and Diss-Pair, and Ichiya has information in Squid Squad along with being mentioned in the Splatune 3 booklet. I am still not sure about whether Yoko needs a page, since there isn't a lot of information about her. However, the information about her on the Ink Theory page that is still relevant now, so it seems strange for it to all be there.

Maybe we should create pages for any member in multiple bands? The issue then is that there will be some short pages without much information, but maybe that is better than having information about characters on multiple pages. For example, someone reading Front Roe would find out very little about the members unless they also look at Squid Squad. If there were pages for Nami and Murasaki, then I think it is more likely that people reading the Front Roe page would also look at those pages than the Squid Squad page, since the links to them will be in the Members section.  GX_64 (talk)  14:03, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm on board with the idea of dedicated musician pages if they are members of multiple groups. Trig - 18:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

I think that this would only make sense if it was on a case-by-case basis, especially because of Nami and Murasaki. I definitely agree, but I think that this should be consistently rediscussed whenever there is a new situation where it might be warranted for a band member to have their own page. ^-^ Wave (talk) 17:47, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

New stage dialog.

Is adding the new stage specific dialog from the splatcast to stages quote pages on the to do list? Mrawesome1010 (talk) 04:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Some editors are already working on this, feel free to add missing quotes if you find any, especially in other languages! Thanks! EminenceTalk 16:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

There is a database I found with the stage quotes. Go to this database, then use the Find Text feature to find News_VersusStage and find the stage's codename. For now, we don't know who is speaking in the game. KPOfficial26 (talk) 10:58, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

6 day difference, but I think it would be a good idea to add Deep Cut's dialogue to the to do list as it is a major project—though if we had more people working on quotes for Deep Cut, this would be a piece of cake.. User:Randomnamehere/Sig 15:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Why did I get banned on Discord?

I'm sorry if I got banned, please put back up the invite link. I won't image spam anymore. KPOfficial26 (talk) 11:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello KPOfficial26. If you were banned solely for image spamming, you likely ignored many warnings to stop. That doesn't happen very often, so you may have performed more severe actions than that.

In any case, bans on the Discord server are not hugely common and there's generally good reasons for such measures. You may want to think about any actions you could have taken as of late that caused disruption or friction within the server, especially if other users have reacted negatively to such actions. Ballistik57 (talk) 13:25, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Image spam is the least of your worries. From frequently ignoring moderation team asking you to stop doing things like micromanaging, being wildly off-topic, and generally just kind of annoying to broadly making the server uncomfortable whether thats by streaming awkwardly showing your face, making racially insensitive comments, or pissin' on VC. You very clearly have zero understanding of cyber-security or image, and while everyone does need to start somewhere, Inkipedia will not be that place. In an indeterminately long time from today if you believe you have matured significantly from where you are now, you are free to appeal this decision with me (this means many months, minimum) in private. Trig - 17:20, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Cephalopod of the Month or something?

Hey everyone! I think I might've pitched this a while back, but do any of you think we should bring back Squid/Cephalopod of the Month? I personally think that this might motivate some to edit more. I say that because I usually only see the same people making edits when I check the Recent Changes. Just a thought. Let me know what you think! Arivaki-Kun (banter) 17:10, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea, but how would this be carried out? Something like a vote? ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 (ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖) 21:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

This has also been brought up on Inkipedia talk:Inkling of the Month. Staff are discussing it now. Trig - 23:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for letting me know. Have a great day. Arivaki-Kun (banter) 16:54, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Older Weapon Strategy Pages

While looking at older weapon strategy pages (like Splatoon weapons), I noticed there were a lot of extra categories in the infoboxes and of unfinished work. It seemed pretty unnecessary to bother filling these in since most people stopped playing the original game six years ago, but I wanted to get others opinion. Should we focus on the newest release, or should we continue to add information to almost irrelevant areas of the page? Adding to both is also possible, but it is very time consuming and most people come here looking for information on the current game versus the older one. Could I get some insight? Thanks :) ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 (ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖) 22:01, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion, it would make sense to try and fill out at least the rudimentary details of those weapons and upgrade them to modern styling. I don't think the descriptions could be feasibly upgraded much, as long as they are generally well written and have relatively coherent detail it should be fine. Trig - 22:30, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for your help. ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 (ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖) 23:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Documenting the video advertisements found in hubs

Hi everyone, I noticed that almost nowhere online seems to document the videos that play on the big screens in the hubs of each game (+ the lobby in Splatoon 3). With how some advertisements interact with in-game events (Big Run) and some seemingly teasing upcoming updates (Z+F was in the game via these ads before they were announced), I feel like it would be good to document them in some way here. These would probably all be put in the galleries of each Hub page.

The ads in-game also seem to have a filter applied to them, so if ripping is feasible, it might make these ads more clear. This could be helpful for the Inkling (language) page since these ads incorporate a lot of text. Ripping wouldn't be necessary for documentation, though, as these can be recorded in-game (though this may be harder for Splatoon 1 and 2). I also don't have access to Splatoon 1, so someone else would need to record those.

Whether you're interested in this, opposed to it, or just have ideas, I'd love to hear your thoughts, so let me know :] Cackle (talk) 19:23, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

To my knowledge these are simple to extract, but I would prefer short clips of each ad are captured instead; extracting the (frame by frame) animations then re-stitching them as .gifs leads to a major loss in quality. Certain animations may have some filters baked-in as well, but my memory's fuzzy on the specifics.

The large amount of per-game ads on these screens is reason enough to document these in dedicated subsections per Hub article, or a unified separate article handling documenting all of them. Yoshifan52 (talk) 06:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

The filters being baked in is interesting. Asking out of curiosity: do you know if that's the case for Splatoon 3 or just the earlier games? I'm also not sure if there's enough content for a dedicated article. While some ads have interesting trivia attatched to them (specifically Z+F having an ad before it was in the game), most of the ones I know of are pretty basic and can be summed up in a caption. Maybe a category would be better? Cackle (talk) 00:02, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I believe the Splatoon 2 ads also had some effects baked in, but I'm not 100% certain. Regardless though, in-game footage (preferably recorded with a capture card) is easier to work with. I'll try to take a look at the internal animations soon, I'll give an update on how workable they are.

A sub-section on the hub page is my preferred means of documenting all of them, but that might be too large an amount of video clips to load on an already decently sized page... We have in-universe Company and Graffiti articles already, I don't see why we couldn't make an "Advertisements" article for these ads. I don't think a unique category is necessary, especially since several users have been working to lessen the use of over-specific categories that don't contain a substantial amount of items. Yoshifan52 (talk) 03:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the info! I have a capture card so I'm good to do that. I think the text in the ads is most likely gibberish anyway so clear text isn't necessary to get the information across (and mimicked pieces of text will probably be clear as-is since they're intended to be seen).

About the "Advertisements" article/category: thank you for explaining, I hadn't considered how all the videos could impact loading times. Also, I've since found some non-hub video ads so those could fit in an article like that too. Cackle (talk) 14:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Happy to help, sounds great! Yoshifan52 (talk) 23:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey, I've now recorded all the in-game videos I could find in S2 and S3, but I've realised that some of the videos I've recorded don't really look like ads for anything (specifically the animations that play above the entrance to Splatoon 2's lobby). I still feel like these should be documented, but I don't know if they'd fit in an "Advertisements" article. Do you think they'd be okay there? Cackle (talk) 04:26, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea! I would definitely be willing to help with recording them since I have all 3 games. I could rip the textures, but I do agree with Yoshifan that in-game clips are the better way to go for the wiki.

Though, if anyone does want them ripped for deciphering, I can extract them (and compile the animated ones into webps) and upload them to google drive or something instead 👍 Sourguppyworm (talk) 08:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Cool! I'm not sure about the other games but from what I've checked in Splatoon 3's ads, the text is complete gibberish so ripping probably won't be necessary. There aren't many Splatoon 2 ads so I could probably record them all soon. I could also do Splatoon 3's, though I'm not sure which screen to record atm since they all have different flaws haha. Would you want to record Splatoon 1's ads? Cackle (talk) 23:29, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

i can do that! i'll record them later today so i don't forget again 😅 Sourguppyworm (talk) 20:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you & don't worry about it! I still need to record mine haha Cackle (talk) 20:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Template for Top 100 Splatfest subpages

I think subpages (specifically the Top 100 Splatfest) subpages should get a template of their own, instead of just using the {{Main}} template. I made a template (basically a mockery of real templates), here: User:Randomnamehere/Top 100 template. Subpages like quotes and gallery get their own template, so should the Top 100 subpage. User:Randomnamehere/Sig 16:45, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I like this! It looks very recognisable, which is something we need for a template that would be used on so many pages, and would likely save time too. GloverMist (talk) 18:04, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Is this the "okay" for the template? From what I have seen, only administrators can create templates. User:Randomnamehere/Sig 00:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Anyone may make templates. Just happens that administrators tend to make them pretty often. This looks fine to me, though I think there could probably be a better image used instead of the current ??? panel. Trig - 03:50, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, i'm trying to work on creating an image... the ??? is a placeholder. User:Randomnamehere/Sig 04:45, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Looks great to me! Yoshifan52 (talk) 05:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Just a question, for template images, am I allowed to create the image myself, if I am, would I have to run the image by everyone to see if it can be a template image, or what? @GloverMist @Trig Jegman @Yoshifan52 User:Randomnamehere/Sig 19:58, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

You can create an image if you'd like, though keep in mind vector images are strongly preferred for that kind of template. If anyone strongly thinks your image needs more work or to be replaced, they'll message you. Yoshifan52 (talk) 00:01, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Do you think this might be a good image? I've been struggling with an image so... heres the image User:Randomnamehere/Sig 00:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, this image is cool but doesn't look as professional as the graphics we typically use for things like this, and it isn't a vector image. I'll ask an experienced with making these types of graphics editor if they can help soon. Yoshifan52 (talk) 02:08, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Here is the graphic I requested courtesy of 6-Frisk. If it's alright with you, I think your template would be good to go once its image is swapped for this one. I'll be available to add the template to the Splatfest pages ASAP. Yoshifan52 (talk) 23:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Aw... it looks alot like the gallery image... which I wasn't wanting to go for. User:Randomnamehere/Sig 01:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm a consistent person so... if we use this image... shouldn't the image for the quotes template also be changed to look similar to this? User:Randomnamehere/Sig 01:31, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I believe Heddy brought up the topic of changing that one as well recently, but several people seemed fine with keeping the green balloon version for now. Personally I would also prefer they're consistent, but I don't feel too strongly about it. The best place to bring that up would be in a separate Ink Pump topic, or on the template's talk page. Yoshifan52 (talk) 20:30, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Also, now that it crosses my mind... Splatoon has MVP in Japan, not Top 100. Should that be made into a seperate page as well? @GloverMist @Trig Jegman @Yoshifan52? User:Randomnamehere/Sig 16:11, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Using in-game images

I'm currently trying to add to the Competitive:Burst Bomb page, and I noticed that there is not a single image in the Burst Bomb gallery that depicts the bomb without being an in-game screenshot. I didn't really know where to look for the image policy, but would it be ok to take an image of a burst bomb (either the in-game icon or the actual model) and remove the background? Sorry if this is a dumb question! Thanks :) ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 (ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖) 03:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't know, if there is no promo image, use icons then. The 3D icon can be good as it matches the theme of the competitive infobox images. The 3D models would be too stretched out, and 2D icons won't help with the aesthetic. Hope this helps! KPOfficial26 (talk) 00:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Clarinet.octo: That page is about competitive and strategy information. It's not the place for images. To find images of Burst Bomb, you should see the main article: Burst Bomb Heddy (talk) 04:15, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

The infobox would be empty without an image and would only have a red file. Generally there is an image in there, but there doesn't have to be. I checked the Burst Bomb page and there were only in-game promo images. There really aren't that many images of the bomb in general, so there isn't much of a theme- although competitive pages typically use the 3D promotional image of the weapon, sub, or special. I was mainly questioning if it is ok to take a screenshot of the icon or model, blur it, and then put it on the wiki. Sorry for the confusion. (This would mean for the Splatoon 3 section since there are images in the other two). I wouldn't be adding a gallery to the page, which I think is what you are referring to @Heddy. Thank you. ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 (ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖) 15:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• by blur I mean remove the background

ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 (ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖) 21:34, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

My bad, I was indeed thinking the question was about adding a gallery to a competitive page; disregard that comment.

To answer your question, it is discouraged to edit images or remove backgrounds, since the wiki is supposed to be limited to official images.

As KPOfficial26 suggested, it may be best to use one of the icons. Heddy (talk) 05:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me, I will do that. ℂ𝕝𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕥.𝕠𝕔𝕥𝕠 (ℙ𝕣𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕝𝕖) 16:58, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

By the way, this is the image. Click on this: KPOfficial26 (talk) 18:42, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

MVP for Splatoon

I made a template for the Top 100s for Splatfests, but that only raises another question. In Splatoon, there is MVP, there is also Top 100 but that is later on in the string of Splatfests. Should MVP get a subpage as well? And if it does get a subpage, will it be treated like Top 100 and use the same template? (The {{Top 100}} template) User:Randomnamehere/Sig 20:40, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I think MVP doesn't need a subpage because it lists only the top 5 players of each team instead of the top 100. KPOfficial26 (talk) 14:17, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

So, should we mash the MVP with Top 100 or just keep it on the Splatfest page? User:Randomnamehere/Sig 17:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Let's keep it on the Splatfest page. The MVP is separate from the Top 100 and was introduced before the Top 100 came into existence. KPOfficial26 (talk) 18:23, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Agreed with keeping MVP on the Splaftest page. And just for context if anyone is not aware: Nintendo created the MVP lists for early Japanese Splatfests only, so you will see MVP lists in very few Splatfest articles. Heddy (talk) 01:07, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree with KPOfficial26 and Heddy here. I'd like to note that the reason the Top 100 players data was moved from the Splatfest pages onto separate subpages was due to the Top 100 data being excessively large in byte size, to the point that adding it to the Splatfest pages would thereafter make them struggle to load for many users. After discussing it, we decided the best course of action is moving the data to subpages.

The MVP data is very much worth noting, but unless its individual writeups are in the 60,000-150,000 byte range (as is the case with the Top 100 data) I don't think it's necessary to generate subpages for them. Yoshifan52 (talk) 21:50, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

In case anyone is wondering, MVP sections are about 15,000 bytes each, on average. Very small in comparison to Top 100 data. Heddy (talk) 22:19, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Voting has started for demotion policy overhaul

Trig Jegman submitted a policy proposal: Inkipedia:Proposals/Demotion Policy Overhaul

Please vote at the above link!

From now on, new policy proposals will be at Inkipedia:Proposals, and Trig's demotion policy overhaul is the first proposal to use that new system! Ink Pump can still be used to brainstorm policy ideas, to gauge support for a proposal before submitting it for voting, and to ask questions about policy, but the actual finalized proposals and voting should take place at Inkipedia:Proposals. Ink Pump should no longer be used for major policy proposal votes. This is per the consensus policy. Heddy (talk) 06:41, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

New gear has been accidentally released in Splatoon 3

I recently heard that someone actually got the Captain's unused gear via an email from Nintendo. It seems that the gear is supposed to be released in Splatoon 3 during its 1 year anniversary. It contains a code to redeem on Nintendo eShop. The code contained these gear: the Legendary Cap (headgear), the Legendary Cape (clothing), and the Legendary Sandals (shoes). If anyone likes for me to add them on the wiki (if I do it now, admins would have to revert my edits), you can talk about it here. The cap has Last-Ditch Effort, the cape has Ninja Squid, and the sandals have Run Speed Up. They are 1 star items produced by Cuttlegear. KPOfficial26 (talk) 22:57, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

If you don't believe me, check this: @kegshinpu on Twitter. KPOfficial26 (talk) 23:57, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

A well known dataminer has said this is fake. Cackle (talk) 00:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

That tweet doesn't exist, also a lot of people did receive it so it's likely real. OrderSquid38 [Talk] 00:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Whoops, didn't realise that tweet got deleted. It was just a screenshot of a discord conversation with Diam so I took another one here. The people in the quotes and replies that got codes seem to all have histories of modding their switches, so I would take their accounts with a grain of salt. Cackle (talk) 00:52, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Wait nevermind, turns out I accidentally stuck a "ke" at the end of the link. Here's the actual twitter link haha, sorry about that. Cackle (talk) 01:00, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

These aren't even released yet to the public, so we shouldn't add it yet to the wiki. Perhaps it could go in Rumors and leaks. OrderSquid38 [Talk] 00:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

The email in the tweet calls Captain "Captain Agent 3". Has Nintendo ever called Captain that before? It sounds strange.  GX_64 (talk)  02:13, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

No, that's why it's fake. Even the date is wrong OrderSquid38 [Talk] 02:16, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Coverage of kits' combos to splat

I think we should cover how to use a weapon kit for damage to result in a splat on main weapon pages. For example, on the Splattershot page, we could cover 3x main shot to splat, 2x main shots and Suction off-hit, 1x main shot and 1x Trizooka off-hit. Slate Talk Contribs 22:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

So, a paragraph stating all the ways a kit has to reach 100+ damage? Heddy (talk) 22:01, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, or very near to it (e.g. 99+ damage) Slate Talk Contribs 13:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I think it's a good idea. For reference, competitive space has combos listed in its articles, but competitive space tends to incorporate strategies and uncommon or highly skillful ways to use or exploit game mechanics. A comparatively simpler (facts-only, no-strategy) paragraph in mainspace articles seems like it would be potentially useful to most readers. It would be within the scope of mainspace as long as it's completely factual. I can't think of any downside to having a paragraph like that in each main weapon article. Heddy (talk) 23:39, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Add YeaSubSpecial to main weapon appearances

We don't currently have a good way of showing all the weapon sets' with main weapon varieties and their subs and specials. I want to make this information available on the main weapon page. I've started this with {{YeaSubSpecial}}. There's a demo on one of my userpages of what this looks like for just the Sploosh (I didn't want to waste time on all the shooters then all the main weapons if people don't like the idea).

If you would like to get involved please edit my page or comment here. Slate Talk Contribs 12:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

"We don't currently have a good way of showing all the weapon sets' with main weapon varieties and their subs and specials." But that info is already on list pages like List of weapons in Splatoon 3. The list pages are linked at the bottom of the main weapon page. Adding sub-special to the "main weapon" page would be unnecessary duplication.

I like the simplicity of the "main weapon" page, in that it just focuses on the main weapon. If we added sub-special to the "main weapon" page, it becomes closer to information overload, and reduces the need to visit the "list of weapons in game" pages. Heddy (talk) 21:56, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Awesome, I did forget about that list page. I've linked to it from the main page by game. Happy with the resolution there :) Slate Talk Contribs 13:43, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Splatfest infoboxes

Should we update Splatoon 2 and Splatoon 1 articles to use the Splatoon 3 Splatfest infobox, or should we change the Splatoon 3 article infoboxes to be like the infoboxes of Splatoon 2 and Splatoon 1 articles? Or, should we do nothing to make the articles more consistent?

Personally, I think the approach used in the Splatoon 3 articles is better. It uses the infobox to summarize the results, instead of having every detail crammed in the box, and has the detailed results in a separate table. I personally believe that infoboxes are best used to summarize at-a-glance information. It looks better and if the information you need is not in the infobox, it can potentially be presented better, such as the Splatoon 3 Splatfest results table which is a better way to present every part of the results due to being a custom table for that specific purpose and not trying to fit it into the "Data type: data value" format of infoboxes.

However, some people believe that infoboxes should contain every possible detail, and big wikis like Wikipedia do actually put every possible data point in their infoboxes, and I understand if people prefer that approach. If everything in the infobox is what the majority wants, then we will need to change the Splatoon 3 Splatfest infoboxes to be more like the Splatoon 2 and Splatoon 1 Splatfest infoboxes, which might be a difficult task if a custom infobox is used to neatly present every bit of the result as well as other info like dates and team names and ink colors.

To repeat the question, should we update S1/S2 articles to use the S3 Splatfest infobox style, or should we change S3 article infoboxes to be like S1/S2 infoboxes? Or should we do nothing? Heddy (talk) 23:55, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Update the S1 and 2 to be more in-keeping with all our other infoboxes is my vote. Slate Talk Contribs 13:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I also vote to update S1/S2 to match the S3 style. Keeping the infobox as a summary and adding the details in a separate table is much easier to read and parse, in my opinion! GloverMist (talk) 15:58, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

New challenges cluttering up the Challenges page

I feel like the past/upcoming challenges on the Challenge page is starting to clutter up most of the page. Here's an idea that I thought up. There would be a simple list of challenges, and each of them would link to its own page. Upcoming challenges will be shown at the end of the list, and past challenges would be shown on their respective page. Does this sound like a great idea? KPOfficial26 (talk) 10:18, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

like that idea - probably want to make a separate article (e.g. List of Challenges) then transclude it {{:List of Challenges}}. Looks like Xevsplatoon has already begun work on that Slate Talk Contribs 13:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

The Current Grizz co. Outfit

Do you think it's a reference to the Tron series? If so, then we should say that, since many other GC items are references to other media. Wind Waker (talk) 16:13, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Plus it's "retro future" which fits the Tron series Wind Waker (talk) 16:14, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see someone just added it, cewl Wind Waker (talk) 22:44, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Spanish flag for localized names

I noticed when the French NOE and NOA have the same name, it shows a flag split in half of France and Canada. I was wondering why Spanish doesn't have a split-flag of Spain and Mexico? I think that we should make it so that if Spanish NOE and NOA have the same name they should also have a split flag to match French. What do you think? Splatunie (talk) 23:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I uploaded the Spain and Mexico flag for this but I'm not sure how to make it show on the localized name template. Can someone do that please? Thanks! SplatunieTalk 02:11, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

I think I did it, the flag should be updated now. User:Randomnamehere/Sig 21:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you! SplatunieTalk 22:37, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

A template for manga pages on the Inkipedia?

I come again with another template idea. There should be a template solely for manga pages with the same purpose as the {{real}} template. Or maybe another template can be used instead like the {{unofficial}} template.

I think this template would have same argument as the {{real}} template... distinguishing stuff from the manga and the actual game can be hard for some people, so a notice could be pretty useful at times, etc, etc. User:Randomnamehere/Sig 21:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

This seems extremely unnecessary to me. Most manga pages state that the subject is related to the Splatoon Manga in the first line of the page. If a user does not read the first line of the page, they are not going to read a template notice either. Secondly, there are discussions currently ongoing about whether the Real template should be deleted. That discussion, located here, could give you some insights as to why a Manga template would be unnecessary. EminenceTalk 00:55, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, I also believe that the {{real}} template is a very useful template, or something similar. Maybe the template could be merged with an already existing template like the {{Unofficial}} template? User:Randomnamehere/Sig 01:59, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

If you would like to discuss the existence of the Real template, please use the associated talk page. Thanks! EminenceTalk 02:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

We need to discuss audio use on Inkipedia

Hey gang. It's time for the discussion nobody wants to really have: Our current audio use is blatantly unacceptable for copyright. More specifically, I am concerned about the presentation of the Music page and Inkipedia's providing of entire game soundtracks for viewing and download. I do not believe this can be claimed as fair use copyright, and would like to introduce stricter policy in order to prevent any possible issues that could arise. My rough guide can be found on this draft page. The general summary of changes is the following:

• First and most importantly, Inkipedia will no longer host full songs on the platform. All audio files will be cropped to a maximum of 30 seconds in observance of several other similar policies as to not serve as a substitution for commercial products like Splatune or content exclusive to buying the game (music not released outside the game in official means).
• Audio files will be recaptured and standardized in quality. The attempt is to move to using MP3 formatting with a standard quality threshold and loudness. Any files played on Inkipedia should A) be able to be heard on most to all common browsers, B) be of a consistent quality, and C) a consistent volume so users do not need to constantly adjust for playback.
• The music page will be rewritten more to discuss broad styles of music and the artists that make them, relative themes, and be more text-focused.

It's not something I think a lot of people are necessarily are going to enjoy as an outcome, but it is something that I do believe to be legally necessary. I am requesting feedback on the policy itself, as well as logistics on implementation and questions anyone may have. Trig - 02:45, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I think this is entirely fair. I would like to mention that from what I've heard (I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice), "fair use" is a lot more limited than people tend to say it is, but with how Nintendo has historically acted towards uploads of their soundtracks, it's good to be as safe as possible while maintaining the purpose of the wiki. I do think that the policy could be more strict than 30 seconds, as some songs can be quite short to the point where 30 seconds can really be pushing the boundaries. XarrotD (talk) 03:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

30 second samples are pretty common on music stores. Wikipedia recommends shorter samples for shorter music, but I think that's too complicated for our needs. I suppose it might be reasonable to use a shorter duration if the song is really short, so long as the sample is long enough to "illustrate the particular instruments or musical elements in a song in a way that a text description cannot" (Wikipedia quote). Heddy (talk) 05:07, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

English Wikipedia's adherence to "Fair Use" policies is way stricter than is necessary, either theoretically or in practice, and should not be the model/guide we follow here. –Eli (talk) 13:58, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Information on deletion of excessive-length audio should probably be added. Like, do we keep audio until a suitable replacement has been uploaded? Or do we delete all music files immediately? I lean towards the latter.

Exceptions should probably be made for audio that is not music. Like, the audio files that have every Inkling/Octoling sound effect. Heddy (talk) 05:07, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I think the policy is good. I think the rewritten music page will be much better than the current one.

What section of the songs would we use for the 30 second versions? Would it be the first 30 seconds?  GX_64 (talk)  05:55, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I also completely agree with this idea, for obvious copyright reasons, and I think we should try to implement it sooner rather than later. I'd argue that the first 30 seconds would be best no matter what, similar to the S3 jukebox, but I'd go one step further and reduce the length for shorter songs so we aren't hosting the full track - personally, I think the extra faff in editing those would be worth it for the payoff. GloverMist (talk) 10:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I'll actually push back on that. Shorter songs are shorter songs, if they're met in 30 seconds then they are met in 30 seconds. Previewing features on sites don't change for short tracks. I would personally suggest flagging all files with a template indicating a change is made and having a team of people work through them. All would need to be new uploads so old revisions are not found. I am also willing to give a small audacity guide to help users properly edit the clips. I do not think there is an overwhelmingly present need to delete everything outright, but if that's what other users feel is smoothest to do, then it is what should be done. WiKirby, for example, when doing theirs, did not delete everything but rather went one game at a time. Trig - 13:59, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I've shared thoughts on this before but I honestly don't think this is necessary or worth it. It is up to copyright holders to enforce what they may argue as not being Fair Use – which has a wide range of interpretations in the first place. This wiki is strictly for educational purposes, is making no profit and is not charging anyone, and cannot ever be reasonably claimed to be targeting Nintendo's revenue stream or stealing customers from them (this is a website, Splatoon is a game, different mediums and even userbases, yadda yadda). We don't need to bend over backwards to imagine what Nintendo theoretically could care about (but doesn't, and hasn't for almost a decade now) or walk on eggshells and self-police based on some unfounded, and in practice unrealistic, fear. –Eli (talk) 14:04, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

I disagree with the notion of "cannot ever be reasonably claimed to be targeting Nintendo's revenue stream or stealing customers from them". Nintendo reasonably expects members to purchase the soundtrack legally through Splatune or through the purchase of the game itself, and the hosting of said soundtracks are a free alternative to this purchase. Regardless, just because Nintendo has not specifically gone after any particular wikis as of yet does not mean we are not still participating in copyright violations. It is the drastically safer option and morally correct option to make these changes. I would also be dubious of referring to our content as "educational". If this were the case, larger sites like Wikipedia would also be hosting full songs and they also would qualify as "educational". Trig Jegman - 14:38, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

I'll preface this by saying these are my views and I am not speaking for the wiki as a whole nor ending the discussion here.

• I agree with Eli: this is a massive undertaking which would involve editing copyrighted material to downsample and trim it, which in itself is a copyright violation. The stance of "short music clips are fine" is a weird line to draw, if we are to follow copyright law. Wikipedia's style guide says "samples should not exceed 30 seconds or 10% of the length of the original song, whichever is shorter" (emphasis mine). Furthermore, this actively harms Inkipedia, as you will be destroying previous well-established content that has not been a problem. If not Inkipedia, users will go to other sites to download the songs if they want to do that, and I'd rather they stay here and not download malware from dubious sites.
• On the Nintendo front, this wiki exists and continues to, by Nintendo's good graces. I would be shocked if they do not know about this site. As mentioned, Fair Use is a flimsy argument and if they wanted to, Inkipedia could be shut down overnight, music or not, because the wiki covers copyrighted content (that is, the Splatoon series). I don't think we should pretend to be lawyers. If Nintendo sends us a message, we will follow it.
• Inkipedia also covers music and audio that is not in Splatune. What about when no better alternatives exist?
• As for something a bit more palatable, we could link to Splatune on the music page and file pages. We should be for the original sourcing anyway.

Slate Talk Contribs 13:45, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Well-said – I agree with everything stated above. "I don't think we should pretend to be lawyers" is the crux of my argument, and the framing of this proposed action as "destroying previous well-established content that has not been a problem" is entirely correct. It would be a huge blow to the wiki, is hugely overreaching and a far from naturally or mutually agreed upon interpretation, and would greatly decrease the site's usefulness. Every song is also available on YouTube in full, uploads which are allowed to exist by Nintendo (as they would be removed, selectively blocked, or monetized by the Content ID system if not, which Nintendo is known to use).

Being able to listen to songs online is not going to stop anyone from buying the game – this is a claim that is unjustifiable, and no existing research proves or even suggests this. This claim is what would need to be legally proven in order to say that this is actually violating a Fair Use doctrine, but everything here is simply your personal opinion and interpretation, @Trig Jegman, from what I'm understanding. But do you have any sources which specifically back this up, that being able to listen to music from a videogame decreases sales of that videogame? In fact, we can't even prove that full-blown piracy hurts videogame sales – there's no link that's been shown.

A few more points: The songs are not on any official streaming site, and the physical soundtracks are not even officially licensed or sold in the US or any other English-speaking market anyway, only as an import from Japan. Moreover, we are not featuring any music in a manner or purpose of being a file hosting site (it is an encyclopedia); critically, articles here provide commentary on the original works, further justifying this use. Everything here points to our use of music not being a violation of Fair Use claims… and it's not up to us to self-destruct and somehow disprove this ourselves at a sudden, random point after nearly a decade with no underlying motivation or reason. –Eli (talk) 06:18, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Nintendo has been known to issue takedowns of their music, and they will use it for existing uploads of the Splatoon soundtracks if they catch wind of them. Just because they haven't taken down various uploads on Youtube yet does not mean that they will not in the future. And while our usage of the tracks likely does not cause a significant impact on Nintendo's sales, this does not matter in the end, as Nintendo could issue takedowns as they please.

I also simply don't see the value in hosting entire tracks as-is. Does it benefit the wiki to host entire songs like this? As the music article currently stands, there is no commentary being added to the music, just the music itself, and providing the entire track is not necessary to provide commentary on it. I personally think that most people would look to uploads of the soundtrack on Youtube instead of the wiki. While we could simply comply with a takedown when they issue one, I think that it's more trouble than it is worth. XarrotD (talk) 17:01, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

My point is they don't need to issue takedowns – at this point, for any audio portion of any video on YouTube, it's not typically a manual process that has to go through Nintendo, then KADOKAWA, then Google, etc… it gets automatically flagged by the Content ID digital fingerprinting system which detects unauthorized use before videos even go live, and even for private or unlisted videos. Nintendo does this for some music, but it seems like they've explicitly chosen not to do it with any Splatoon songs, considering there are videos with tens of millions of views that have been live for years. Nintendo even uploads full tracks with music videos themselves, sometimes! There is nothing to either point to the fact that Nintendo wants to restrict this content, or (as stated above) that the availability of music on the internet would impact sales of the entire videogame (a different medium) in any way.

Yes, it does benefit the wiki. I'm not only talking about the "Music" article. Check out articles like Calamari Inkantation or Splattack! with thousands of words talking about the music structure, leitmotifs, cultural references, game usage, variations, and so on. Certain in-game and promotional images even show official music notes on a staff, official dance moves, and so on, and the wiki highlights at what point in songs these pieces relate. That is a critical benefit provided by articles on the wiki as they exist today. People are also free to look up things of their own volition on YouTube or other platforms.

You're phrasing things like "when they issue one" as if this is for some reason inevitable, but have absolutely zero evidence behind why you think this will happen, as opposed to if it will ever happen, which it hasn't for almost a decade. Nothing suggests this will happen. The only thing that is "more trouble than it is worth" is revising every music file on the entire wiki now, for no reason, rather than continuing to be prudent, reactive, and operating in good faith. (Heddy also mentioned more about this in their now-removed comment – but I'm linking it here because it speaks to this point as well.) –Eli (talk) 11:25, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Automated translations

We've talked about translating material a few times and the primary gripe is editors using Google translate, which is notorious for being inaccurate. I propose a few solutions:

1. We write a formal policy that bans machine translations.
2. We allow the machine translations, but editors must also use a note/template that says this is machine-translated / needs verifying.
3. We have a bot that adds machine translations using Deepl, for editors to verify after the fact. The translations could be tagged as bot translations.

In any case, I could make a check for machine translations. Slate Talk Contribs 13:54, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

My ideal solution would be to allow the use of DeepL, provided that the translations are clearly marked as such in the article. I'd have a category created for these articles, so that they can be reviewed by fluent speakers of the languages. I think that a formal policy about this would be necessary, so that users who use other, less reliable, bot translators, or do not mark bot translations properly, can be punished. Even if we ban all machine translations, a formal policy regarding translations is long overdue, which has resulted in a large amount of machine translations being added to the wiki by unknowing users. EminenceTalk 14:59, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Given Inkipedia's wide language base, I support option 1 with not permitting any machine translations period end of sentence. Trig - 15:44, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree, even with a notice it's better to avoid making errors and spreading possible misinfo. kris(talk) 15:49, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I think that it would be good to check for machine translations, maybe adding it as a project as well. I don't think that it would be a good idea to outright ban machine translations, because they would have their merits for early translations of new material. We should DEFINITELY add a tag for them, though. Wave (talk) 17:53, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

H2whoa Band Members name?

Is there any way that we could find band member names based on OKUTOPASUTAKO and NAGAREHANASANGO? It seems like they're both long enough to be a first name and a last name, but we don't have any more evidence (I think). Wave (talk) 17:48, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Those are definitely just their species. OKUTOPASUTAKO is a combination of "OKUTOPASU" (a transliteration of "Octopus") and "TAKO" ("Octopus" in Japanese), confirming the left band member is an octoling."NAGAREHANA SANGO" is the Japanese name of anchor coral, which the right band member seems to be based off of. Cackle (talk) 18:00, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I hope that we get the band members names soon, though, because I really need lore for them now.

• aggressive introverting* Wave (talk) 18:22, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

We'll probably get the names of the members through Splatoon Base when it next updates, so keep a look out for that! You'll probably gonna be waiting a while, though, because we still don't have the names of the Damp Socks members haha. Hopefully it'll update when Side Order comes out. Cackle (talk) 18:29, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Side Order - Maybe trailer at Nintendo Live? Frankly, I've just given up at this point. :( Wave (talk) 18:34, 1 September 2023 (UTC)